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Hi Be More... I'm working on a project and part of that project involves a chapter on ethics in nursing. I liked the way you expressed your main ethical dilemma and would like to use your quote in my project. As I would like to use your quote verbatim, this requires that I get permission from the author of the quote. If you are open to me using your quote in my book, do you have an email address that you can give me so the Permissions department of my publisher can contact you to obtain a formal permission? If you are not open to me using your quote, no worries. I just thought I'd ask!

Hi Daytonite... Remember me? The permissions department just contacted me and it seems that I do require permission, after all, to use something from an online forum. If you are still okay with me using your quote (as referenced earlier), do you have an email address that you can give me so the permissions department can contact you? It's my first book, so I'm not exactly sure about the procedure, but I imagine they would contact you to make sure I did, indeed, secure permission from you. I will, of course, use a pseudonym as the author of your excerpt, as requested. The Permissions Dept. would most likely contact you next year some time, so I would need to have an email address that you know will be active for awhile. Let me know your thoughts.

You are so TREMENDOUSLY helpful, Daytonite, and thanks a million for your last private message. I can't tell you how grateful I am for your amazing feedback. I still have not heard back from my source re: the public domain, but I did some research on my own and from what I can tell, I should be able to use the excerpt. As its verbatim, as a courtesy, I'll probably mention something about allnurses.com. I won't provide a name under the excerpt, as requested, probably just a caption like "RPN (hospital)". If you want to hear more about my project, send me an email address as I can't send private messages from this forum, yet. Otherwise,I'm sure I'll run into you again on this forum!

Hi Daytonite.... Thanks for the private message. You may be right re: the public domain. I just feel unethical using a whole paragraph that someone else has written without acknowledging them in any way. And, I would want to use your paragraph verbatim, as it says exactly what I wish to express in that section of my report. I emailed my publisher today and asked her: re the policy on stuff in the public domain, so I'll wait to hear back from her. If there is no violation in using your excerpt, would you like me to include your name, a pseudonym or just indicate the author as anonymous? In any event, I'll write you and let you know what the developmental editor says re: public domain. Thanks, as always. And, please send a private message when responding to my above question.

Hi Daytonite! For my project, I'm going to be including anecdotes from real life cases, and I saw one of your former posts (see below). This is perfect for what I'm doing. Would it be alright if I included this passage verbatim? I can give you a credit in my acknowledgement section, if you like. Or, I can have my publisher contact you to do a formal permission request (in the new year), if you would like. I can't send private emails on this forum, so please email me privately to discuss further... "At one of the legal seminars I attended we were shown a 15-minute video of a nurse being questioned by an attorney. It was awful as the attorney pointed out all the things the nurse didn't do or chart what she had done. The lawyer made the nurse look incompetent. And all he did was act polite and ask nice questions that were designed to bring out the flaws in her documentation that he wanted the jury to hear. On top of that he had a huge blow up of her actual page of nurses notes for the jury to see. They were sloppy and there were several places where she had scratched out the information she had written (wrong way to correct a document)."

I'm working on a project and have to write about ethical challenges faced by nurses. I'm interested in hearing from nurses about ethical challenges they (or a colleague) have faced while on the job. So, what would you consider to be the top 5 ethical challenges of nursing? Thanks so much. I love all.nurses.com!

Thanks saillady for your thorough and helpful response. Much appreciated:wink2:!

Thanks 1000-yr old turtle... That's what I thought...that a SOAP note was a structured progress report. Good to hear that I'm on the right track. Very difficult to write about nursing documentation when the only times you've been in a hospital are when you've been sick or when visiting others who are sick... But it sounds like the distinction is even a bit tricky for nurses... Thanks a million!

Thanks for the clarification caliotter! In my project I have defined SOAP as a structured progress note, in contrast to the traditional narrative progress note which did not have a formal structure I guess what still confuses me is what is the difference between "narrative charting" and the progress note is in terms of content, if any, or when they are written. Both SOAP and progress notes seem to have the same function, at least to someone outside the nursing field..

Hi lpnflorida! Thanks for the feedback; this question has been bothering me for a while now. You mention that nurses don't document in the SOAP note unless they are working with a doctor. This confuses me as all the nursing documentation books that I've been reading always include sections on SOAP, PIE, DAR, etc. If the nurse isn't usually involved with SOAP why do they always make sure to include it in nursing books? By the way, I'm not a nurse!! I'm currently working on a project where I have to write about nursing documentation. It's very difficult when you have no experience as a nurse. Thanks again!

What is the difference between a progress report and a SOAP note? Are these two separate documents that are required at different stages of the health care process? Or, is SOAP a way to organize the information found in a progress report. I don't quite get it. I know what SOAP stands for; I just need to know how it is different from a progress report. Thanks so much!