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"If you are only presenting the risks and none of the BENEFITS THAT IS SUPPORTED BY RESEARCH, then you are misleading parents, and to me, that borderlines malpractice." Ok, I'll bite, what are these alleged "benefits" that are supported by valid scie...

Really? The US has the 6th highest HIV rates in the industrialized countries HIV cases % UNAIDS (2003) Circumcising countries: Zimbabwe........................24.6 Congo................................4.9 Malawi..............................14.2 K...

Really, perhaps you missed this in scienice 101? Note the last paragraph... http://www.uic.edu/classes/bios/bios100/labs/scimethod.htm The Principles of Science As this is a science class, it would be beneficial to start out with a discussion on just...

The OPINIONS may be equal, but the facts and evidence are not--try following your brains. And the end of the day, WHY do something that has no proven benefit and proven harm? Which direction does one's brains lead?

Exactly! You got me.

""Well, I guess the CDC, World Health Organization, Unicef, and other, internationally recognized organizations that are dedicated to the PREVENTION of disease, are all wrong." Well the circumcision and HIV rates come from those organizations whose o...

And it is just as prevalent in areas that DO circumcise and those that don't --something does not compute logically.

"Well, I guess the CDC, World Health Organization, Unicef, and other, internationally recognized organizations that are dedicated to the PREVENTION of disease, are all wrong." Well, they certainly were on the latest swine-flu pandemonium they manufac...

"An circumcision...is done with a lidocaine," very infrequently.. "does not cut into muscle, does not cut through a protective membrane that would expose major organs to possible infection and has minimal blood loss. It is considered a minor surgical...

.In SCIENCE, all it takes is ONE valid exception to make a theory invalid--you got them in Scand. and Japan--and the other rates for various countries are valid ENOUGH to complete the picture. So, again: IF circumcision reduces HIV by 50%, WHY do we ...

Being a bit lazy are we?

"Some cried for a few minutes and then stopped. To me it did not seem that the lidocaine made much of a difference because that hurts being injected. It seems that they cried just as much either way." Of course! After the initial pain, they retreated...

"ETA - the actual number of intact men that end up 'having' to get circumcised as adults in the US is about 1 in 100. So we're circing, on average, 99 newborns who otherwise would have no problems, to save one person who *might* have problems that tr...

"I tell them that there is a risk to permanent damage to the penis from the procedure, infection that can have a major impact on urination, appearance, and future sexual performance." Do you tell them that there is a 100% chance of the loss of erogen...

"The links ARE my sources...and they are from the CDC and well recognized professional medical journals with CURRENT RESEARCH." Thoise are the OPINIONS of medical organizations--not proven facts--and are contradicted by empirical evidence in the rea...

"There benefits that are medically documented for circumcision...such as a lowered chance of HPV and HIV infection." Really? Science demands that a theory fulfill its prediction every time, however the rates of both of these are HIGHER in circumcisin...

ALL circumcisions are less than perfect--they remove healthy, functional, normal erogenous tissue--the whole concept of needless infant circumcision is less than perfect--in fact harmful, and frankly, medically unethical...regardless WHO does them.

LOL, sorry I posted b4 I read you comment--and it seems you beat me to the punch.

How so?

One-sided--YES, because that is where the facts and logic lie.

No, simply stating the facts.

Functions? THESE.. http://www.norm-socal.org/lost.htm http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/lost.html *+1. The pleasures of the multifunctional foreskin, which comprises up to 50% (sometimes more) of the mobile skin system of the penis. If unfolded and s...

You have summed it all up in this succinct and logical statement.

'My point about the money, is that compared to other inflated costs, it really isn't a significant amount - certainly not enough to make the cost a reason for doing/not doing circumcisions. OB has been known to bring much less profit to hospitals, an...

" I simply debate that it is a parent's choice and we shouldn't make them feel bad about it." And I have to ask again, WHY SHOULD a parent have the right to deliberately cause unnecessary pain and harm to an unconsenting infant when there is not ...