Hand2cut, Bill Baldwin (& others on whose posts I will ignorantly remark without reading): With any group, there always members who find membership challenging, and there are always people who find gaining membership challenging or impossible. Just like there is someone in the group who is the tallest, shortest, most liked, least liked, etc. Could be membership to a club, a group of friends or professionals, a career, or a relationship, whatever. Fringe people who lack the requisite elements to belong to a certain group. Or you possess certain elements that outweigh what would make you attractive to the group. That's no reflection on your core value as a person; if you happen to be an a-hole it is merely incidental. The reasons that those people find gaining or maintaining membership challenging is because, like you, they don’t belong. These people sometimes can identify a reason for their difficulty, such as Hand2cut’s problem with the title nurse. Or that “you have to know someone to get a job in such & such hospital”, and other reasons - even reasons on which one could actually base a logical and rational position. Whatever is identified as the causing this person’s difficulty, it is irrelevant and quite possibly inaccurate: this person just doesn’t belong. No malice, no judgment, you just don’t belong. Now you might say tossing around ideas about a better title than “nurse” is not indicative of being one of the people I described above, but it is. The comments you both made are fundamentally incompatible with the essence of nursing. Additionally, (the very little) logic with which you propel your thoughts is misguided at best, fueled with wrong information and wholesale flakiness. Bring it back to this planet and think about what you actually care about.