Unfortunately it sounds like you had a very disenchanting experience. Which is really to bad, because surgery can be very enlightening and rewarding. I have to say while most of us do try and have fun while we work, anyone can go overboard. Surgery is not a delicate thing, it takes muscle and strength to go through muscle and bone. From the viewers perspective it can be very rough looking. Just remember that the outcome is the most important. As far as the behaviours it is unfortunate that you ended up viewing some very unprofessional sounding people. The Or is a different enviroment and can be very stressfull, this can result in people acting out sometimes inappropriately. What I can tell you is try it again, maybe at a different facility and see what happens. Just like every other nursing venue it may not be your cup of tea. good luck :balloons: bigdogu MSN ACNP BC RNFA