melliejh, thanks for the reply. Any info is helpful. I pretty much feel we are the only ones doing this, as one of our docs means well but is an expert on finding a back door to get kids in and is not fond of intensive care. As an FYI alot of our vented kids are in right now for failed home care (ie no homecare nurses to be found) It's the sick ones that scare me, because not all our staff is vent trained so backup is not always as readily availble as you would like. Thnaks again! Janet