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by the way, when i was in the Navy, i went to my training school with this guy who was a Marine corporal, his name was Jose. he had a good friend, another Marine, his name was George. George and I became pretty good friends, too. he was a great guy and everyone liked him. George also had a new wife, who came to live with him in base housing. George's wife was trouble. we all could see it. unfortunately, he couldnt. His wife apparently was doing coke. people kind of ignored it. but then one night Jose saw George doing coke with his wife. Jose turned George in the next day. George was summoned to his commanding officer's office, took a UA test and popped positive for cocaine and marijuana. he was kicked out of the Marine Corps. Career over. Zero tolerance. We (our training class) were stunned. we were all pretty tight knit. and Jose and George were supposed to have been best friends. they lived near each other in base housing, and their wives spent a lot of time together. our initial reaction was shock and anger. how could he do that to his best friend? what a rat! how could we ever trust him? but you know, we all quickly realized, that what he did was absolutely right. and if we were going to be mad at him, we would be wrong.

turn her in. right away. do it anonymously. then deny that you were the one who did it, if anyone ever asks. you'll fulfil your ethical/moral/professional/legal obligation, and you won't have to be a whistle blower. if she's busting coke out in front of you she's doing it in front of others. by the way: if you know about it, but don't report it, doesn't that make you liable and at legal risk? another angle: do you want this woman caring for you grandparent, your parent, your spouse, or your child ?? i dont. please. turn her in, for everyone's sake. she obviously doesnt care about herself or the law... what makes you think she really cares about any of her patients?

yeah, well, you should see me in drag.

look you already have problems with attracting men to this field, and now you want them to run and scream "Code Pink! Code Pink!" any time some MD says something mean ? lol :chuckle

whats wrong with this argument? pharmacists dont have to "stand up" and demand respect. engineers dont have to "stand up" and demand respect. lawyers dont have to... um... well, never mind about lawyers, you see what i'm saying. nurses, regardless of formal education, are highly skilled professionals and are invaluable to the medical profession.. the problem here is in public perception. like it or not, nursing has long had the public (mis)perception of being a female, blue-collar, vocation that consists largely of changing sheets and emptying bedpans. obviously, nurses have been struggling for some time to change this image, and get the respect that their profession deserves. however, in the 21st century, it is different than it was in 1960 or 1970. A bachelor's degree is now the rule, not the exception, for any profession. and that's just the *minimum* this public mis-perception, of nursing as a blue-collar vocation, will continue to persist until nurses consolidate their ranks, protect their title, and require a minimum formal education that is equivalent to other medical professions.

you've got to take the lead on this. you've got to stand up to them and put them back in their proper place. formulate your arguments/responses at home. practice them like you practice a public presentation. then be prepared to deliver in front of the maximum number of people for the maximum effectiveness. its too late to try diplomatic one-on-one negotiations. if you don't stand up, no one will -- and then another class of nasty med students turn into nasty MD's who treat everyone like sh*t, refuse to admit mistakes, increasing both their arrogance and potential for more mistakes. so thats the short term solution. the long term solution is to organize the nursing profession to standardize what is and what isnt a nurse. which means, ultimately, that every nurse will have a BSN. just like every other medical profession requires at least a bachelors degree. you dont see Physical Therapists, Speech Pathologist, Pharmacists, etc, being sh*t on by MDs. just my $0.02. and no, i'm not a nurse.

sorry if i was rude. truly, i didn't mean to be. but i think it's important that people call things by what they are. actually its quite inconvenient. have you ever had all of your email correspondence monitored? or had every phone conversation recorded? I do, every day that I am at work. I've done some network sniffing on my home computer and I'm reasonbly confident that my home computer is not being monitored. but I'm never fully sure. The legal NDA's i have signed make me very susceptible to legal action. it'll be hard, but i'll try. i agree with you in principle on everything that you just said, above. but i can't in good conscience agree that Scientology is "just another belief system" in that it is comparable to any other religion. It truly is a destructive cult, and I would warn anyone who was considering it as a valid spiritual path to beware. It is exceedingly difficult to get out of this organization once you get in. they are absolutely BRUTAL in their techniques to suppress dissent. They literally have armies of members who are highly trained lawyers. They have destroyed people's lives who turn against them. they will go after your family and friends in public smear campaigns. they are by far the most litigious organization in american history. If anyone needs to understand one thing about this organization it is this: this organization exists solely to make money, and the profits are funneled directly to the core elite leadership. and they make a LOT of money. Just to reach the third level in rank (of which there are at least 8 or 9 total, maybe more) -- Called OT III (Operating Thetan, 3rd level), which is the minimum socially acceptable level members are expected to achieve -- will cost a person over $300,000 (US). people take out second mortgages. sell their posessions. if they cant cover it in cash, they work it off in trade as a form of indentured servitude. and this cost increases exponentially for each level thereafter. Tom Cruise, I am told, is an OT VI. Ive read excerpts of the texts that comprise the "training" for OT III . and yes, it is absolutely bizarre, but i'm not going to go into it here, because what they profess to believe is immaterial. it is not the substance of beleif that makes a cult. any religion has their peculiar beliefs that may seem ridiculous to someone not in that religion. it is the manner by which they organize that makes a cult. for this, please refer back to the 8 highlighted points (elements) that describe a cult, which I posted earlier. this is the litmus test of a cult. and Scientology passes every single one. i wish we didn't. but if we have to, then sure, I'll try to be respectful. Now, I've said my piece. If anyone wishes to continue to maintain a soft focus, and suspend judgement on this, and give Scientology the "benefit of the doubt" and allow them equal status with world religions, that is of course your perogative. But in my opinion, based on experience and research, this couldn't be further from the truth.

because the in the report they spelled the word: "labour". actually it wasnt just american. it was north american. the primary reasearcher is, i believe, a canadian, and the study included canadian midwives. mainly i think it's because the evidence agrees with (and cites) recent european studies from england, netherlands, et. al. This issue is very important to the medical communities there, as it is here. the evidence from both sides of the atlantic suggest that low-risk pregnancies are equally safe when delivered in the hospital or at home/birth centers with certified practicing midwives. what is mentioned, but not focused on, is that higher-risk pregnancies have a higher risk of infant mortality when deliveries are made outside the hospital. unfortunately, women at high-risk aren't always identified as such. and there are still always going to be instances when complications arise that require transportation to a medical facility. this transportation takes precious time. for me, it's just not worth the risk. that's my opinion. if your opinion is that you'd rather deliver at home, or at a birthing center, without having medical intervention teams at the ready, and understand the risks involved, hey thats fine. it is a free country, and if you are truly "low risk" you'll apparently be statistically just as likely to deliver a healthy baby as you would in a hospital. but i know that statistics only *model* reality, and cant account for -- or predict -- individual experiences. and models are never completely accurate. so i try to avoid making life or death decisions based on statistics whenever possible.

you obviously aren't reading anything i posted. or do you just not understand it? the established definition of cults, as posited by the academics and professionals who study them, does not in any way allow organized religions, major or minor, to be classified as cults. unless you wish to be completely irresponsible and ignore the vast body of academic literature. that's fine, because I ain't sellin' it. yes I've read his books. I've studied this cult to some extent. I've read the primary source material, including his prolific and bizarre rants to the FBI. His FBI record is publically available. yes, I know scientologists firsthand. i have direct contact with them on a daily basis. I have been required to read scientology material, and been required to sign legal non-disclosure agreements. I am directly involved with the Church of Scientology in a manner that I am not at liberty to the disclose specifics of in a public forum. "Like YOU said"... not me. Amish are not cultists by any stretch. the are a sect of the Anabaptists, a historically recognized and legitimate group of protestants that trace their origins to the Protestant Reformation. Please read the definition I gave of cults, since you obviously haven't yet done so. this is not my definition. this is the academic definition. If you know anything about the Amish, then you know that they dont have a single point in common with any of the thematic elements of a cult. Scientology, on the other hand, have every single element of an academically defined cult. Some countries (e.g., the United Kingom) have declared them to be a cult and have made their fundraising and recruitment activites illegal. The CoS lost it's status as a religion in the United States for almost 20 years, before recently regaining 501(b) status. They have continually been the subject of federal investigation for a number of criminal activities. I've studied more religion at the university level than I care to recount. I've studied the Masoretic Texts of the Hebrew Scriptures and I've studied the extant New Testament morificecripts and Ante-Nicean Fathers in Greek. I do not study religion on Teh IntarWeb. But i realize most people here do not have access to a Divinity School's library. I only point to representative links here, to make it convenient for others. I accept your apology. :chuckle

based on the work of the late Dr. Margaret Singer, the world's leading authority of cults and mind control. The cult is authoritarian in its power structure. The leader is regarded as the supreme authority. He or she may delegate certain power to a few subordinates for the purpose of seeing that members adhere to the leader's wishes and roles. There is no appeal outside of his or her system to greater systems of justice. For example, if a school teacher feels unjustly treated by a principal, appeals can be made. In a cult, the leader claims to have the only and final ruling on all matters. The cult's leaders tend to be charismatic, determined, and domineering. They persuade followers to drop their families, jobs, careers, and friends to follow them. They (not the individual) then take over control of their followers' possessions, money, lives. The cult's leaders are self-appointed, messianic persons who claim to have a special mission in life. For example, the flying saucer cult leaders claim that people from outer space have commissioned them to lead people to special places to await a space ship. The cult's leaders center the veneration of members upon themselves. Priests, rabbis, ministers, democratic leaders, and leaders of genuinely altruistic movements keep the veneration of adherents focused on God, abstract principles, and group purposes. Cult leaders, in contrast, keep the focus of love, devotion, and allegiance on themselves. The cult tends to be totalitarian in its control of the behavior of its members. Cults are likely to dictate in great detail what members wear, eat, when and where they work, sleep, and bathe-as well as what to believe, think, and say. The cult tends to have a double set of ethics. Members are urged to be open and honest within the group, and confess all to the leaders. On the other hand, they are encouraged to deceive and manipulate outsiders or nonmembers. Established religions teach members to be honest and truthful to all, and to abide by one set of ethics. The cult has basically only two purposes, recruiting new members and fund-raising. Established religions and altruistic movements may also recruit and raise funds. However, their sole purpose is not to grow larger; such groups have the goals to better the lives of their members and mankind in general. The cults may claim to make social contributions, but in actuality these remain mere claims, or gestures. Their focus is always dominated by recruiting new members and fund-raising. The cult appears to be innovative and exclusive. The leader claims to be breaking with tradition, offering something novel, and instituting the only viable system for change that will solve life's problems or the world's ills. While claiming this, the cult then surreptitiously uses systems of psychological coercion on its members to inhibit their ability to examine the actual validity of the claims of the leader and the cult. no you can't. not if you plan to adhere to the academic definition of cult. that is, the definition used by medical professionals, law enforcement agencies, presented in hundreds of hours of Congressional testimony, etc., etc. how very relativistic of you. lets extend that to "its all about what people do and don't accept as theft". or "its all about what people do and don't accept as rape." yeah, i suppose someone could claim that there's some gray area in those concepts, and because of that the entire word is meaningless -- so lets not be mean to people and call them rapists or thieves. "la la la la i'm not listening to you" ! LOL. lets see, shall we (a) investigate facts, or (b) jump to conclusions? i realize that conclusion-jumping is much easier and self-satisfying than fact-checking, but if you were to bother to look, you would see that that site is devoted solely to the accumulation of evidence on the dangerous practices of "NARCONON", how they circumvent the law and established medical science. exclusively. it is not in any way shape or form an attack on any religion or on religions in general. yes, thats a very nice site. very good if you want broad and consise summaries of complicated issues. is a perfect companion RELIGION 101: Intro to World Religions. unlike cults, "in-depth" is a relative term. yeah, youve already said that. and again, no, catholics can't be considered cults by the academic definintion of cult. well, JW's actually do fit some of the criteria for cult status. but it's not because of their views on medicine. yeah, thanks for the reminder.

Okay, Ms. Doula, I wish you the best, of course. statistically speaking, the odds are on your side that everything will be allright. And if -- gods forbid -- a medical emergency does come up, I hope your Ambulance arrives quickly and the distance is short. but please pardon my uninformed litigious ignorance, when i insist my baby and wife will have every single medical option ready and in place. Even with the most skilled and experienced midwife, I'd rather not to have to add variables such as phone lines, 911 dispatchers, EMT's, ambulance mechanics, and traffic flow patterns into an already complicated equation.

well, thats a great attitude, but really should only be applied to legitimate religions like Xianity, Buddhism, Islam, Wicca, various indigenous tribal religions, etc. I'm sorry, but you dont have to give respect to cults. scientology is truly a cult. actually, it's Organized Crime Masquerading as Religion. it's not just a ridiculous scam, but it's destructive and dangerous. since their Mad Messiah (the paranoid-schizophrenic sci-fi hack L. Ron Hubbard) had a pathological aversion to psychiatry, the hatred of all psychiatric medicine is a key component of their beliefs. people have become seriously ill and even died following their advice. for instance, they run a bunch of drug/alcohol treatment centers under the banner "Narconon". these Narconon centers are really just fronts to (a) recruit new cult members and (b) launder money to keep scientology a non-profit IRS 501(b) status. of course they adhere to all of scientology's principles. which mean people detoxing from chronic addictions to alcohol, barbituates, heroin, etc... are not given any medication, but are instead pumped full of Niacin and other vitamins. and when they go into shock and start having seizures, the Narconon-Scientologists then dump their victims off at the front door of the local ER. of course, no insurance provider will ever cover treatment at a Narconon facility... and they arent cheap either. check it out here: http://www.crackpots.org/ or here: http://www.narconon-exposed.org/ and here: http://www.nots.org/

what really sucks the most about all this, is I wanted to go see "War of the Worlds". but now I can't because he's such a dangerous and offensive lunatic, and I promised myself to never give him another dollar.

guess what? the Peds team WAS standing by. when our baby was born not breathing and not moving, our OB recognized the problem, and called for the Peds team -- they were there in 5 seconds. they were set up and ready to go, while he was still cutting the cords from around our baby's neck. (and this a normal, non-university, community hospital that delivers a lot of babies.) what we didn't do, was have to wait for some anti-medical establishment midwife to check her ego, call for transportation, then wait for transportation to arrive, and then go through whatever amount of transportation was required before arriving at a facility with properly trained medical staff. question: when a baby is born not breathing, how long does it take before permanent neurological damage begins to occur?

hey, just want you to know, my wife went thru the same exact thing you are now. she went straight to a very busy med-surg floor right after graduating BSN. it was rough for her, with the 12 hour shifts, a--hole surgeons yelling at her, inept residents making stupid mistakes and trying to pass the blame, etc. etc... she really started to wonder if she had made a mistake. but she stuck with it and in very short time, became a very competent and confident nurse. got to the point where she has no trouble standing up to surgeons, residents, even the attendings when she knew she (or another nurse) was right about something. now she's moved on to a critical care ICU, went through more orientation, got overwhelmed all over again, but now she loves her job more than she ever thought possible. one thing she's said, on a few occasions, is that getting the med-surg experience was probably the best choice she could have made. it really gave her a broad and solid foundation that will apply to anywhere she goes. she sees people come out of school and go straight into ICU and quickly get completely overwhelmed. but the med surg teaches you all the skills you need, how to manage patient load, how all the systems integrate... its really invaluable. anyhow, it will be overwhelming at first, but you've got a great attitude and you'll certainly make it all right. and congrats on becoming an RN.

best wishes, im sure you'll love it. but it will be very hard. get your husband on your side. you'll need his support, at least so you can have time to study. just fyi, i too was skeptical of my wife (fiancee then) becoming a nurse. she had just recently got her BS in Biology, and i thought she wasnt giving it enough of a chance. I also thought nursing was too "blue collar", that she wouldn't like it, that it would be too "hard", too much liability... and i secretly feared it would turn her into some stern, matriarchal Nurse Ratched. all my fears were unfounded. her becoming a nurse was the best thing that she's ever done. when my engineering job gets cut in the next round of layoffs, she'll still have a great job, and i just may become a stay-at-home dad. anyhow, stick with it. at some point you may find that you are really frustrated and want to drop. i think this happens to everyone. certainly did with my wife. but you'll make it.

very nice... minimize the risk. for one thing, the rate of incidence is about 25%. and that's for one wrap. for *mulitple* wraps, the rate is around 1-2%. generally cause no problems? So you consider "not breathing" to be a non problem. certainly you're aware, that besides the obvious danger of having a dead baby, nuchal deliveries are associated with spastic quadriplegia, cerebral palsy and decreased neurologic development. so, im going to trust my baby's deliver to Ms. Dancing Dragon Moon Beams, and her uneducated superstitions? sorry, but NO THANKS. dont get me wrong, i dont have a problem with Certified Professional Midwives who are ready to call for appropriate medical intervention as soon as it becomes necessary. And I also agree that many OB's are too quick to call for C-sections. That's why we chose an OB who only performs them at the absolute last resort. but you'll have to excuse me when i prefer to risk a staph infection in order to have a well trained medical intervention team available within seconds, should it become necessary. As it wound up being necessary in our otherwise normal pregancy. as someone here said, "these things can turn on a dime".

well put. i always forget that part. OK. good point. on that note, i'll take my leave

yeah, my wife just discovered my posts, and told me i should delete them for that very reason. sorry, too late. but i believe what i've said is true.

ok, so maybe real estate isn't so great. honestly, i don't know much about being a realtor. but LPN is slowly but surely being phased out across the country. yes, you can be a great nurse with an LPN -- and there are many great LPNs -- but you will always have a ceiling preventing your advancement, and you will be limited to the amount of nursing work you are able to perform. if you really want to be a nurse, i would strongly suggest that you get an RN. the BSN-RN would be preferable, but even an ADN will still give you the full license as an RN, and most places don't discriminate between the ADN and BSN... yet. 20 years ago, maybe LPN was a viable career choice. but i really believe you will find yourself constrained by the limits the LPN license puts on your career as a nurse. true, i'm not a nurse, and merely being married to one does not make me any kind of expert. but if you have the option available to you, why would you want to limit yourself to the lower level?

that's not true. i base my opinion on anecdotal evidence. and a little bit of hearsay. look, we considered midwifery and birth centers. and after the experience we had, we are glad we had a hospital delivery with fully trained staff ready to intervene, as it so happened to be necessary to do so. yes, i know about secondary staph infections from hospitals. and we didnt get any. so, yeah, if the person is trained and licensed by the state as a Registered Nurse and a Midwife, and theres a Obstetrician available if necessary, sure go with the midwife. fine and great. but if you want to go with some back alley lay-midwife, you are putting your lives in the hands of some unprofessional person whom the state has little oversight on... well, thats your choice i suppose. i hope i don't read about you in the next midwife lawsuit.

(1) no one HATES lpn's, don't get all mushy on me. (2) there are always exceptions to the rule. I'm sure there are some great LPNs out there, and I'm not judging you personally. (3) of course with 25 years of experience, you are topping out the payscale. and depending on the area of the country you live in, you can make any job livable. The cost of living is so low in in the middle of Kansas, for instance, you can raise a family on a Wal-Mart salary. but the fact is, 1 year of vocational trade-school training is not a professional career. so many of you RN's complain that you are not treated like professionals, that you get no respect from the doctors, patients, etc. the reason is, you have very little protection on the title 'nurse', or the amount of eductation/training one has to receive before one can claim the title 'nurse'. i mean you have 4-year BSN's, and MSN's who are 'nurses'. then you have 1-year vocational school graduates who are 'nurses'. and you even have Veterinary Techs at PetSmart who dress in surgical scrubs call themselves 'nurses'. While every other medical profession in a hospital requires AT LEAST a four-year bachelors degree, many require a masters degree. i dont know when/if this will ever be resolved, but there are places around the country working on this. many hospitals, including the university hospital my wife works at, WON'T HIRE LPNs. At all. And some hospitals are now requring all RN's to have a 4 year degree.

yes, but you are a BSN-RN. following_faith is going to drop a potentially lucrative career in real estate to become an LPN. I dont know what her LPN school is telling her, but she's going to discover the harsh reality of cleaning feces and vomit all day long for $10.00 an hour, look if she wants to become a nurse, that's great. I'd say "Go For It!" ... but become a *real* Nurse. that is, an RN. that is, a professional career.

yeah, we had a healthy pregnancy with no apparent risks. so we should have done it at home with a midwife right? well unbeknownst to anyone, our baby had the umbilical cord wrapped TWICE around his neck. it was a very difficult delivery, he stopped breathing, and he had to be resuscitated. He very easily could have died. so thank god we didnt go with the homebirth and some local yokel midwife. i want my pizza to be home delivery. But sorry if I have higher standards when it comes to the life of my baby and my wife. and you say hospitals all have a $ agenda in preventing midwifes from moving into their market? well midwifes have agendas too, sorry. I mean these people claim "electronic fetal monitoring" is somehow A Bad Thing. Even that BMJ study implies just that on Page 2. and i've read countless tragic stories where some arrogant midwife refused to call for medical intervention until after it was too late. look, i just googled "certified professional midwifes", and here is one of the first links i get, to some woman who runs her own birthing clinic. You want to put your life in her hands? ================================================= MoonDragon Birthing Services & Woman Care MDBS Maternity Care & Domiciliary Midwifery Rev. Leather Dupris, BS Candidate, DEM, CCE Owner & Director of Services 0 Boardman Street Salem, MA 01970 Website: http://www.moondragon.org Part 1: Disclosure of Background & Experience I, Leather Dupris, hereby state that I am not a medical physician, registered nurse, doctor of osteopathic medicine, or any other licensed medical practitioner recognized by the laws of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. I am, however, an experienced, trained, primary care direct entry midwife (DEM), but I do not hold any type of medical degree. Direct Entry status refers to the method of entering the profession of midwifery, which means that I entered midwifery "directly" without having obtained a nursing degree prior to practicing my profession as a midwife. In the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, midwifery and homebirth is legal. There are no provisions for licensure in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts for non-nurse midwifes. I began my training in 1978 as a student to a Naturopathic Physician, who was also in the profession of midwifery. He continued to mentor my midwifery practice until his death in 1981. I have been a primary care, domiciliary (homebirth) midwife since 1979. I am currently involved with obtaining the Certified Professional Midwife (CPM) certification through North America Registry of Midwives (NARM). I am a certified childbirth educator through Informed Homebirth (IH) and Informed Childbirth Association (ICA) since 1980. I am certified by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts as a Certified Nursing Assistant (CNA) and as a Certified Home Health Assistant (CHHA). I am also an ordained minister and a high priestess of Wicca. I have my Reiki II Certification and am a practicing Reiki therapist. I am also a Notary Public for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. ================================================= well, that's just great. when your delivery complicates, and she starts praying to the moon-god, rather than providing trained medical intervention, at least she'll be able to notarize the death certificate.

google>> rise in "teenage pregnancy" northwest England "The association between socioeconomic deprivation and teenage pregnancy and childbearing is well established in Great Britain (15). A longitudinal study there shows that the risk of becoming a teenage mother is almost 10 times higher among women whose family is in the lowest social class than among those whose family is in the highest class. In addition, teenagers who live in public housing are three times more likely to become mothers than their peers in owner-occupied housing (16). Throughout Scotland, from the early 1980s to the early 1990s, pregnancy rates increased in the most deprived areas and, on average, either remained the same or decreased in the most affluent areas. But the relationship between disadvantage and teenage pregnancy can also vary over time. In Scotland, socioeconomic deprivation explained a larger proportion of local variation in teenage pregnancy rates in the 1990s than it did in the 1980s (17)." (15) United Kingdom, Social Exclusion Unit, Teenage Pregnancy: Report Presented to Parliament by the Prime Minister, London: Social Exclusion Unit, 1999; Diamond I et al., Spatial variation in teenage conceptions in South and West England, Journal of the Royal Statistical Society, 1999, Series A: Statistics in Society, 162(3):273-289; (16) United Kingdom, Social Exclusion Unit, 1999, op. cit. (see reference 15), p. 17. (17) McLeod A, Changing patterns of teenage pregnancy: population based study of small areas, British Medical Journal, 2001, 323(7306):199-203. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3325101.html#17