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Specializes in Pedi. Has 10 years experience.

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my mom had me at 38, and I wished she had me earlier. I am an only child. So guess what, when I'm 25, my mom's 63 already. and it makes parents hard to retire. personally i think IVF should not be allowed on women after a certain age. nature has its purpose, but we are trying to overcome it. people who choose to do IVF because they can't conceive are better off adopting and making a positive contribution to the world.

If you think about it, the IVF treatments on older women are likely experimental to study whether geriatric women will be able to carry to term. This technology will be especially useful when colonization on other planets is possible and viable gestational carriers of any age will be needed. Hey, that's my hypothesis.

SmilingBluEyes

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis. Has 24 years experience.

WHO---- pray tell, is PAYING FOR THIS FOLLY????

If one of the other kids wanted an additional sibling, she could've adopted.

Or teach the child that [gasp] one isn't necessarily entitled to have all wishes granted.

babyNP., APRN

Specializes in NICU. Has 13 years experience.

my mom had me at 38, and I wished she had me earlier. I am an only child. So guess what, when I'm 25, my mom's 63 already. and it makes parents hard to retire. personally i think IVF should not be allowed on women after a certain age. nature has its purpose, but we are trying to overcome it. people who choose to do IVF because they can't conceive are better off adopting and making a positive contribution to the world.

Saying that people should "just adopt" does not take into consideration the sheer amount of cost and time it takes to adopt. And it feels like you're implying that children of IVF don't make a positive contribution to the world.

SmilingBluEyes

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis. Has 24 years experience.

YES after 13 kids, adoption should be her only option at this age. It's not got anything to do with individual value of a child, but the fact she already HAD 13 and and is 65 freaking years old!!! It's nuts.

Saying that people should "just adopt" does not take into consideration the sheer amount of cost and time it takes to adopt. And it feels like you're implying that children of IVF don't make a positive contribution to the world.

"It's Not Nice To Fool Mother Nature"

icuRNmaggie, BSN, RN

Specializes in MICU, SICU, CICU. Has 24 years experience.

The children of Nadia Sulemon and this 65 year old are going to have to bear the stigma and psychological effects of all of this negative publicity. This disregard for the health and welfare of the children conceived by irresponsibly through IVF is unethical.

babyNP., APRN

Specializes in NICU. Has 13 years experience.

YES after 13 kids, adoption should be her only option at this age. It's not got anything to do with individual value of a child, but the fact she already HAD 13 and and is 65 freaking years old!!! It's nuts.

I never said anything about the mother in question. The mother does not equal "people" as I said in my post. The poster to whom I was referring said that every person who chooses to do IVF should adopt instead. A 30 year old couple trying IVF is extraordinarily different from a 65 year old woman with 10+ kids.

Wrench Party

Specializes in Cardiology, Cardiothoracic Surgical. Has 3 years experience.

All I can say is STUPID, SELFISH and CRAZY. I bet those babies are going to end up with a ton of health issues, being quads and all, and who's going to pay for it? US, the taxpayers.

Does this woman have not one person in her life who can wear the [NO] T-shirt? (Insert a long string of cuss-quality words here).

Elvish, BSN, DNP, RN, NP

Specializes in Community, OB, Nursery.

All I can say is STUPID, SELFISH and CRAZY. I bet those babies are going to end up with a ton of health issues, being quads and all, and who's going to pay for it? US, the taxpayers.

To be fair, this is in Germany, so it will not be American taxpayers footing the bill. I don't know enough about German healthcare systems to know if this was funded publicly or privately (one dares to hope not publicly), but if the quads go on to have health issues then someone will end up footing the bill.

In complete agreement with you about the rest. :yuck:

Fiona59

Has 18 years experience.

This woman probably had most of her family in the 70s and 80s. She had tons of state support. The old FRG paid very generous amounts to families. Kinder Geld was paid for each child. There was also a "bonus" with the first child to help set up the baby. I seem to remember there was a bonus after the 10th child as well.

So, seeing as none of the five fathers supported their offspring she probably was well supported by the West German taxpayer. She would have had her healthcare paid for under the universal healthcare programme, rent subsidies, kinder geld, and probably an unemployment payment for a while.

It's highly likely that the German taxpayer will pick up a huge part of the bill for this experiment. Her pension is quite good but I'm not so sure about kinder geld under the Angela Merkel government. I do know from friends there are the government has been cutting back on social welfare payments.

When I first saw this story I thought there is no way this can be real but unfortunately it is. I'm sorry but this situation is just wrong. I first want to say that I am all for people having large families and I personally don't care how the children our conceived. That's not my business. Who am I to judge, BUT this situation is completely ridiculous. She already has 13 children. She decided to try for another because her 9 year old wanted a younger sibling. Are you kidding me?

I am just shocked that a doctor agreed to this. I know that many fertility clinics have age cut offs. Obviously this doctor didn't seem to care. I'm sure her intention was only to get pregnant with 1 baby. I'm sure she was shocked to find out there was 4. Even a singleton pregnancy is risky for someone at the age of 65. I can't believe she would take that risk. I kinda of lost respect for her when I read this:

"Raunigk, who lives in Berlin but plans to move to a town in North Rhine-Westphalia to be closer to some of her other children before the birth, will hope to finance her children's upbringing through media coverage and sponsorship deals."

As a NICU nurse I am very aware of the risks of a quadruplet pregnancy. I will be hoping that her body can carry these babies as long as possible for the sake of the babies. I will definitely be following this story.

DeLana_RN, BSN, RN

Has 23 years experience.

"Conceivably", someone her age could have a "change of life" baby, naturally. I think.

Well, yes... but what are the odds (extremely low. Most eggs after age 42 or so are chromosomally damaged and unable to lead to pregnancy, it does not matter when menopause occurs. And the odds that a woman this obsessed with having a huge number of kids would "happen" to have one of these rare pregnancies - well, I think the odds of winning the lottery would be much greater.)

More likely she used donor eggs with the pregnancy at age 55 as well. A decade ago (when her youngest child was born) IVF with donor eggs was still "underground" in Germany and no one admitted to having used them. Apparently, this has changed and it is now condoned (although couples still have to go abroad for treatment, usually in Eastern Europe. This woman had IVF treatments in Ukraine).

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"Conceivably", someone her age could have a "change of life" baby, naturally. I think.

Well, yes... but what are the odds (extremely low. Most eggs after age 42 or so are chromosomally damaged and unable to lead to pregnancy, it does not matter when menopause occurs. And the odds that a woman this obsessed with having a huge number of kids would "happen" to have one of these rare pregnancies - well, I think the odds of winning the lottery would be much greater.)

Furthermore, what are the odds of a woman having "change of life" quadruplets naturally?

smartnurse1982

Has 7 years experience.

This would even be a story if it was a 65 yr old man that got some woman pregnant.

It would not even be a story if it was a 95 yr old soon to be father.

If a man could father someone at that age,why not a woman?

klone, MSN, RN

Specializes in Women's Health/OB Leadership. Has 15 years experience.

Most eggs after age 42 or so are chromosomally damaged .

No, "most" eggs are not chromosomally damaged after age 42. At age 45, there is still only about a 5% likelihood of a pregnancy with a chromosomal anomaly.

Elvish, BSN, DNP, RN, NP

Specializes in Community, OB, Nursery.

No, "most" eggs are not chromosomally damaged after age 42. At age 45, there is still only about a 5% likelihood of a pregnancy with a chromosomal anomaly.

It's just that most eggs are gone by then.

But we see (and I know you know this) women in their 40s having perfectly healthy babies all the time.

Personally, I'd be in the loony bin if it happened to me, though.

DeLana_RN, BSN, RN

Has 23 years experience.

No, "most" eggs are not chromosomally damaged after age 42. At age 45, there is still only about a 5% likelihood of a pregnancy with a chromosomal anomaly.

I have done a lot of research on this subject. This does not mean that most pregnancies after age 40 (actually, after age 37 according to my sources) will result in children born with Down Syndrome or other chromosomal problems; instead, most "old eggs" are never able to be fertilized at all, resulting in "failed cycles" or miscarriages. At age 45, there is a 1 in 12 chance of having a pregnancy with a child with Down Syndrome - not bad odds, I agree. However - most are never able to conceive AT ALL.

I have a friend who had several failed IVF cycles and was told by her fertility specialist that "old eggs" become a serious problem starting in the late thirties. She was 39, and he advised her to use donor eggs to increase her chances!

Therefore I DON'T believe for a minute that this 65-year-old quad mother-to-be had her youngest daughter at age 55 "naturally", i.e., without using IVF with donor eggs. Especially after watching the "exclusive interview" with the TV station RTL; she never admits it, of course, but the child does not resemble her at all. (See for yourself.)

In addition, it's striking how naive the woman appears to be... and clueless regarding the responsibility of raising quads - by herself.

She had better hope the media circus continues and finances it for her (Octomom had hoped for the same, and we know how that turned out).

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