Why is everyone on Protonix

ArmyWife,RN · Oct 9, 2005

Depending on the length of the hospital stay and the agressiveness of the doc (in treating the pt), stress ulcers born from the hospitalization/illness/dz process would be the reason.

A.W.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Oct 9, 2005

Depending on the length of the hospital stay and the agressiveness of the doc (in treating the pt), stress ulcers born from the hospitalization/illness/dz process would be the reason.
A.W.

Our trauma docs here give pepcid for the same reason.

I've noticed a lot of medical patients getting protonix though.

MamaTheNurse, BSN, RN · Oct 9, 2005

our ICU is part of a statewide safety initiative to prevent pneumonia in ventilator patients and we round 3 times a week on vent patients to make sure they are being treated appropriately to prevent complications - they have to have their HOB up at least 30 degrees (if they can tolerate), have some sort of DVT prophylaxis (minimum SCD's, if not heparin or Lovenox), some sort of PUD prophylaxis (we mostly use IV Pepcid), have their blood sugars monitored and treated appropriately, have their skin closely monitored and aggressively treated if breakdown occurs, have a daily wake-up if they are sedated, daily attempts at weaning off the vent (if appropriate) - I think there are a few more but I can't remember off hand - the PUD prophylaxis is to prevent ulcers and also minimize damage if aspiration occurs

I think all hospitals in Michigan are part of this program, tailored to your institution

suebird3 · Oct 9, 2005

One of our local hospitals put people on Protonix because they get kick backs. They couldn't care less if the patient is on anything else, with good results. We end up switching OFF Protonix, cuz PA doesn't pay for it. :idea:

litepath · Oct 9, 2005

All of theses answers while correct do miss an important point; HCL in the stomach is there to kill bugs via low pH. These inhibitors nix the low pH and thereby give rise to bug growth. Sucralfate will bind with HCl, preventing the stress ulcers w/o raising the pH to unsafe( for the patients protection) levels.

Read "The ICU Book" by Paul Marino

MamaTheNurse, BSN, RN · Oct 9, 2005

All of theses answers while correct do miss an important point; HCL in the stomach is there to kill bugs via low pH. These inhibitors nix the low pH and thereby give rise to bug growth. Sucralfate will bind with HCl, preventing the stress ulcers w/o raising the pH to unsafe( for the patients protection) levels.
Read "The ICU Book" by Paul Marino

that's very interesting - I'll have to check that out - isn't sucralfate "Carafate"? I don't think I've seen that given at all in our ICU for anything.......thanks for the info

Nesher, BSN, RN · Oct 9, 2005

In stem cell transplant land we give protonix over zantac due to cost. Our pt's (98%) are on TPN and not eatting so they suffer from heartburn type issues which of course may well be mucositis...

lsyorke, RN · Oct 9, 2005

Interesting article here about this very subject. As a nurse of 20 years I can't remember a patient developing ulcers as a result of being hospitalized. Kind of makes you go Hmmmmm, as to why we are spending the money on expensive preventative therapy for something that doesn't occur frequently.

http://www.brighamandwomens.org/pharmacoepid/Research/EduMaterials/Acid%20suppression%20update%20July%202002.pdf

Tweety, BSN, RN · Oct 9, 2005

All of theses answers while correct do miss an important point; HCL in the stomach is there to kill bugs via low pH. These inhibitors nix the low pH and thereby give rise to bug growth. Sucralfate will bind with HCl, preventing the stress ulcers w/o raising the pH to unsafe( for the patients protection) levels.
Read "The ICU Book" by Paul Marino

Beside that it's for digestion of protein, calcium and other minerals. Many people actually suffer from low levels of HCL. When I was reading a diet plan called "The Fast Track Detox" Ann Louise Gittlemen, talked of this and even encouraged supplementation, to help with detox and weight loss. Here's another article: http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/digestiveproblems/a/LowHCL.htm

Off topic.

Nurseboy1 · Oct 9, 2005

All of theses answers while correct do miss an important point; HCL in the stomach is there to kill bugs via low pH. These inhibitors nix the low pH and thereby give rise to bug growth. Sucralfate will bind with HCl, preventing the stress ulcers w/o raising the pH to unsafe( for the patients protection) levels.
Read "The ICU Book" by Paul Marino

While that is true, sucralfate does bind to many drugs preventing absorption which can make a dosing schedule problematic since the sucralfate is typically taken qid while protonix is taken daily or q12H.

lsyorke, RN · Oct 9, 2005

But why are we treating something that doesn't exist?? This seems to be a trend in medicine today. I can understand prophalaxsis in some things, like DVT prevention, since there is a physiological risk with limited activity. But when did the whole inpatient population start having excess gastric acid production? Just because someone is on an antibiotic doesn't mean that they need protonix. Now if you have a GI diagnosis that is caused by increased acid I can see using these drugs, but everyone??? Am I missing something here????