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3 hours ago, Scorio said:

Additionally, I acknowledged to her I appreciate the fact she is very forward with me in regards to constructive criticism, and not given weeks after (and sometimes months) after a behavior has occurred. She told me, "Well, you need to take account with our perspective, that a lot of us Nurses are not forward with you about criticisms because we are not sure how you will react." I am not rude, or argumentative. I simply acknowledged she was correct, her position was understandable. I am also planning on meeting with several Nurses to help address this problem, because it does upset me how I do not receive criticism first-hand, and when an evaluation comes that I did, "X,Y,Z" wrong, it makes me appear in front of my evaluator that I am not fulfilling my role as a student in advocating for myself. Additionally, it will appear that I have a lack of self-reflection and introspection, which frustrated  me further. What is everyone's thoughts about this? 

 

You are on the right track with just accepting the correction!!!

 

⚠️There is nothing wrong with encouraging positive feedback by saying that you appreciate hearing it right away, but don't veer over into too many conversations about your recent negative experiences. Keep it positive. Just say, "Okay, thanks!" or "Thank you, that is good to know" or ask a thoughtful or clarifying question if you have one, then say thank you.

The fastest way that they will learn to give immediate positive critique and pleasant correction is if people accept it positively.

I'll tell you what: If I were you I would keep all of this in careful perspective. You have a goal; the goal is to get out of there with a passing grade! It's a very short-term, focused goal. Get.it.done. I know you want vindication and you want to chase down this wrong that you have experienced/perceived, but that is not going toward the goal-post. Instead, remember each day is a new day; just take one nurse at a time and make the very best of your time together.

Good luck and be smart.

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On 9/5/2019 at 11:00 PM, JKL33 said:

 

You are on the right track with just accepting the correction!!!

 

⚠️There is nothing wrong with encouraging positive feedback by saying that you appreciate hearing it right away, but don't veer over into too many conversations about your recent negative experiences. Keep it positive. Just say, "Okay, thanks!" or "Thank you, that is good to know" or ask a thoughtful or clarifying question if you have one, then say thank you.

The fastest way that they will learn to give immediate positive critique and pleasant correction is if people accept it positively.

I'll tell you what: If I were you I would keep all of this in careful perspective. You have a goal; the goal is to get out of there with a passing grade! It's a very short-term, focused goal. Get.it.done. I know you want vindication and you want to chase down this wrong that you have experienced/perceived, but that is not going toward the goal-post. Instead, remember each day is a new day; just take one nurse at a time and make the very best of your time together.

Good luck and be smart.

I am doing my best. Yesterday during clinical, I was asking the Nurse I was with about contacting transport for patients. The patient went to the bathroom (we were done with her) so I told the Nurse I will be putting her in transport to bring her back to her bed. She replied, "Wait for her to come back! Then we can call transport!" I said, "Ok. No worries." And I asked if transport is relativity quick at this clinical site, she said, "No." I said, "Ok, for clarification, it is best to contact transport when they are not going to the bathroom and when they are back in their stretcher, correct?" Her response? "I mean, do you want to argue about it? We can argue."

Some people I think look for anything to get in a fight, I am convinced. I apologized, told her that I apologize if I came off defensive. She said she did not think I was defensive. I then thanked her for her advice. 

Waiting for another eval...

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39 minutes ago, Scorio said:

I am doing my best. Yesterday during clinical, I was asking the Nurse I was with about contacting transport for patients. The patient went to the bathroom (we were done with her) so I told the Nurse I will be putting her in transport to bring her back to her bed. She replied, "Wait for her to come back! Then we can call transport!" I said, "Ok. No worries." And I asked if transport is relativity quick at this clinical site, she said, "No." I said, "Ok, for clarification, it is best to contact transport when they are not going to the bathroom and when they are back in their stretcher, correct?" Her response? "I mean, do you want to argue about it? We can argue."

Some people I think look for anything to get in a fight, I am convinced. I apologized, told her that I apologize if I came off defensive. She said she did not think I was defensive. I then thanked her for her advice. 

Waiting for another eval...

Seriously your not getting it. Don't suggest, don't give advice, hell on your case don't speak unless spoken to. In clinicals you are supposed to be a fall on the wall. It boggles my mind why this is hard to comprehend. Someone else on here got kicked out of school because they got on the staff nurses nerves. Seriously?? 

 

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Yea you aren't getting it. Stop questioning everything. You are new to learning how processes work and you dont need to question it before you figure it out for yourself. 

And stop apologizing. Be confident in what you are asked to do, anticipate things that youve learned to anticipate. Stop overanalyzing.

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38 minutes ago, Snatchedwig said:

Seriously your not getting it. Don't suggest, don't give advice, hell on your case don't speak unless spoken to. In clinicals you are supposed to be a fall on the wall. It boggles my mind why this is hard to comprehend. Someone else on here got kicked out of school because they got on the staff nurses nerves. Seriously?

  

Gee, god forbid I ask for clarification. Isn't that my role as a student? I am paying thousands of dollars for this education.  It seems like it's best to not ask questions at all. 

I also got written up at this site for being "too quiet" and "waiting to be asked to do something", as well as, "does not initiate conversation with staff unless asked to." YOU tell me what it is I need to do then? I'm sick of it and it seems like YOU don't understand my perspective. 

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4 minutes ago, Scorio said:

Gee, god forbid I ask for clarification. Isn't that my role as a student? I am paying thousands of dollars for this education.  It seems like it's best to not ask questions at all. 

You asked and were answered. Then you continued to ask. That is where you need to stop. Once you have the answer (wait until she’s back), anything beyond that is badgering the nurse. What you are paying for your education is irrelevant. Guess what? The nurse isn’t getting anything to take you on as a student. It’s not that it’s best not to ask questions. It’s that you need to know when it is appropriate to ask, when it is not appropriate to ask, and when to stop a line of questioning. 

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4 minutes ago, Scorio said:

Gee, god forbid I ask for clarification. Isn't that my role as a student? I am paying thousands of dollars for this education.  It seems like it's best to not ask questions at all. 

I also got written up at this site for being "too quiet" and "waiting to be asked to do something", as well as, "does not initiate conversation with staff unless asked to." YOU tell me what it is I need to do then? I'm sick of it and it seems like YOU don't understand my perspective. 

You don't question the staff. Is that hard for you to comprehend? Your a GUEST. When we were in school we saw all types of mess in clinicals. Did the staff know we were taken back? NOPE.  You have a question? Ask your instructor. 

The energy I get from you with each of your replies is definitely what the staff sees. I never spoken to anyone who got written up at clinicals yet more than once. 

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8 minutes ago, Scorio said:

Gee, god forbid I ask for clarification. Isn't that my role as a student? I am paying thousands of dollars for this education.  It seems like it's best to not ask questions at all. 

I also got written up at this site for being "too quiet" and "waiting to be asked to do something", as well as, "does not initiate conversation with staff unless asked to." YOU tell me what it is I need to do then? I'm sick of it and it seems like YOU don't understand my perspective. 

If this is how you are in clinicals this is why you are getting written up

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10 minutes ago, Scorio said:

Gee, god forbid I ask for clarification. Isn't that my role as a student? I am paying thousands of dollars for this education.   

Yes, but you aren't buying a degree, you have to earn it. The amount of tuition isn't relevant and doesn't entitle you in this situation. 

I am sorry, it does sound like you are getting mixed messages from the clinical site. At this point I am not sure what you can do, I think they are going to find fault with you because their opinions have been formed. Their concerns about your reaction to feedback are a red flag to me, and I am not sure what happened prior, but continuing to be verbally open to feedback will hopefully help you make it through. How much longer are you at this site? 

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4 minutes ago, Nurse.Kelsey said:

If this is how you are in clinicals this is why you are getting written up

I asked the staff if I was defensive or argumentative. They say I am not, and that I take constructive criticism very well. I am trying to maintain peace within the department, and fulfill my role as a student---but I can't help but be frustrated over scenarios that when I do follow their advice, they get mad about it. 

I got frustrated with Snatchedwig because this user told me to 'not speak unless spoken to' and not question the staff, and I took things personally when he/she said, "how is this HARD to understand" . I wasn't questioning the Nurse, I was seeking guidance as to when best to contact Transport so in the future I will not have any issues. 

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3 minutes ago, Scorio said:

I asked the staff if I was defensive or argumentative. They say I am not, and that I take constructive criticism very well. I am trying to maintain peace within the department, and fulfill my role as a student---but I can't help but be frustrated over scenarios that when I do follow their advice, they get mad about it. 

I got frustrated with Snatchedwig because this user told me to 'not speak unless spoken to' and not question the staff, and I took things personally when he/she said, "how is this HARD to understand" . I wasn't questioning the Nurse, I was seeking guidance as to when best to contact Transport so in the future I will not have any issues. 

But @Snatchedwig was right in saying if you have questions you can ask your instructor. Dont get hung up on interactions you have to learn how to let it go and move forward. Working as a new RN is going to be filled with challenges, personalities, and situations 10x more than in nursing school.

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Just now, Nurse.Kelsey said:

But @Snatchedwig was right in saying if you have questions you can ask your isntructor. Dont get hungup on interactions you have to learn how to let it go and move forward. Working as a new RN is going to be filled with challenges, personalities, and situations 10x more than in nursing school.

I know. She is correct. It's that the Nurses are questioned by my instructor if I do ask questions, if I am interactive, etc. If I don't ask any questions and only ask my instructor, the Nurse will document that. Don't you understand my frustration? 

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