The state of TX has a new law that provides for anybody to get a $10,000 bounty by suing any person discussing or assisting a woman in any way to have an abortion after six weeks, I.e., before many women even know they are pregnant. The burden is on the person sued to deny it, and if they win they cannot recover their legal costs. This means a driver, a friend to whom a woman confided, someone who bought her a bus ticket, a vindictive ex, clergy, a clinic receptionist, a neighbor you don’t like, a competitor, a restaurant where you didn’t like the service, a ref whose call you didn’t like … all open to being sued by anyone, and the burden on them to refute. Your rapist could impregnate you and then sue you. There are no exceptions for incest, pregnant children, or rape. There are obvious constitutional difficulties with this, information on which can be found in many sources. The SCOTUS declined to block it for the nonce, but have NOT invalidated Roe v Wade and are awaiting further suits.
A private group has put up a website where anonymous people can report any “suspicious” cases, which they will then refer to authorities…and I’ll bet they’ll expect to get the ten grand for every one. It is presently being flooded by fake reports, many hilarious. It’s taken off on Tik-Tok and Twitter at pic.Twitter.com/xgpvESdc5b If you’d like to join the fun, you can. Goto https://prolifewhistleblower.com/ and let your creativity flower as often as you like.
Look I'm sorry, but libs and Dems are just weak, cowardly people.
Listen, I don’t really think it’s cowardice as much as wanting to play by the rules. They see how utterly morally bankrupt today’s Trumpian version of what was once the GOP is, and they don’t want to be them, or beseen as being like them. I think they are trying to preserve an amount of decency and integrity instead of stooping to the same levels as the Trump Cult members. They are trying to be ”the good guys”.
But like you, I think they are making a tactical error and I think it might actually cost you your democracy. It will certainly deprive women, minorities and LGBTQ of many hard-earned rights and protections.
”When they go low, we go high” only works when you’re dealing with people who are not completely amoral. When dealing with that ilk, the best thing to do is to place a swift, strategically aimed figurative kick in their ?s. If I’m allowed to generalize a bit, I think that the major handicap that Democratic politicians have is naivety.
This law is so crazy that if the matter wasn’t so serious, actually life-and-death serious is many cases, I would just be laughing at the lunacy of it all.
I don’t believe that this is motivated by anything other than a desire to control women.
I’ve seen several studies and statistics that show that about half of unintended pregnancies end in abortion. This is true whether abortions are legal or restricted.
The only difference is that when abortions are made more difficult for women to obtain, then women will instead have unsafe abortions that will lead to increased morbidity and mortality.
If you want fewer abortions, facilitate easy and affordable access to birth control and healthcare and educate people.
By the way, a six week pregnancy is still an embryo. It’s not reached the fetal state yet. The size of the embryo is about 6 mm, or about 1/4 inch.
Listen, I don’t really think it’s cowardice as much as wanting to play by the rules. They see how utterly morally bankrupt today’s Trumpian version of what was once the GOP is, and they don’t want to be them, or beseen as being like them. I think they are trying to preserve an amount of decency and integrity instead of stooping to the same levels as the Trump Cult members. They are trying to be ”the good guys”.
But like you, I think they are making a tactical error and I think it might actually cost you your democracy. It will certainly deprive women, minorities and LGBTQ of many hard-earned rights and protections.
”When they go low, we go high” only works when you’re dealing with people who are not completely amoral. When dealing with that ilk, the best thing to do is to place a swift, strategically aimed figurative kick in their ?s. If I’m allowed to generalize a bit, I think that the major handicap that Democratic politicians have is naivety.
Americans have a syndrome ,that education instills restraint and civility that seems to particularly affect Libs and Dems. Believe me on this. I actually live in this world.
My mum is a history professor and even she has noticed that as Americans acquire more advanced education, their speech becomes more British and affectations suddenly appear. Apparently they need a better class of friends or acquaintances, palates become more discerning, conversations much more civilized etc etc. Even I have noticed her acquaintances undergoing this change. Especially with watching British shows and Masterpiece theater or PBS etc.
I absolutely don't think anything is wrong with that because European shows are superior in my estimation, but, I don't see why the ruthlessness and dedication that pushed them to acquire higher education in the first place, (emasculates) them for want of a better word. I know many well educated and upper class Brits and believe me they seem to become even more rigid and opinionated. They stick to their guns in a manner, that you can see why they ruled the world for such a long time! Actually, Macawake, like the Danes ??, unlike you Swedes, generalizing of course.
Republicans are almost the opposite IMO. They seem to revel in ignorance and loutish behaviors and the women, generalizing again, follow the men's needs. Maybe, it's because my mother is the boss in our family and she recognizes that she's the most intelligent person, so she makes most of the major decisions except when it's really MAJOR, then my Dad takes the responsibility. Between my mother and two sisters, I'm used to strong women who stand up for themselves! This Texas decision has been a cloud hanging over women for decades and only ONE SINGLE party has a control agenda against women, AND STILL they vote against their better interests. Apparently, a few thousand dollars in lower taxes is all that's required for white educated women in this country to abandon their gender and respect for each other!
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54 minutes ago, macawake said:
By the way, a six week pregnancy is still an embryo. It’s not reached the fetal state yet. The size of the embryo is about 6 mm, or about 1/4 inch.
In Texas now, the state will spend big money protect that embryo but in 9 months the state will be uncomfortable with the monies needed to feed, house or educate that child into a productive and successful adult...preferring rather to demonize the poor mother and perpetuate the generational poverty associated with unwanted pregnancy.
In Texas now, the state will spend big money protect that embryo but in 9 months the state will be uncomfortable with the monies needed to feed, house or educate that child into a productive and successful adult...preferring rather to demonize the poor mother and perpetuate the generational poverty associated with unwanted pregnancy.
Absolutely. I have nothing but contempt for the people responsible for this law. These people literally stop caring about babies two seconds after they are born. If they cared, they would be advocating access to sex ED, birth control and preventive healthcare for all citizens. They would also be advocating for paid parental leave and other support measures. But no. They just want to force a woman to give birth, after that it’s time for her and the baby both to pull themselves up by their boot straps. Pity babies don’t enter the world with boots on.
Through the years I’ve been involved in several threads on AN on the topic of abortion. Some posters whom I respect a lot, self-identify as pro-life. But they have all acknowledged that eventhough they would never have an abortion themselves and wish that abortions didn’t happen, they all understand that access to safe abortions is a necessity for women’s health. So they didn’t support a ban. As nurses they understand the threat to women’s health that an abortion ban causes. I have no problem respecting their opinions. I can’t say the same for the misogynists responsible for the above legislation.
All this disgusting ruckus these neanderthals are causing has one aim. They are trying to get someone to sue someone else, with the goal for the case to end up on the Supreme Court’s docket. They have their sights set on overturning Roe. Clear as day. Even if they don’t succeed they can still kill it slowly by simply making it impossible for clinics to stay open or providers to dare take the risk of doing their job.
Is isn't staggering though that the party who promotes themselves as all about freedoms, is always trying to restrict other people's freedoms?
Maybe it's just me, but taking away someone's choices is like taking on a huge responsibility for someone else especially when these are the idiots who can't even make good choices for themselves! The hypocrisy is monumental!
How much more simple would it be to actually be in step with what people want and produce policies that resonates with them, instead of always trying to push their own agenda!
They have now militarized women and given them a focus for the midterms and what little I know about women, is that they don't forget or forgive easily!
Can you imagine what republicans actually think of you women to actually take away your rights?
So I'm sort of wondering when are you women are going to get organized and which companies are going to boycott because that's the only way to quickly get some pressure to bear!
So I'm sort of wondering when are you women are going to get organized and which companies are going to boycott because that's the only way to quickly get some pressure to bear!
Don’t worry your pretty little head about what women are doing. The real question is what are you men doing to get your male supremacist brothers under control?
Don’t worry your pretty little head about what women are doing. The real question is what are you men doing to get your male supremacist brothers under control?
You are kidding right!
Men are not allowed to talk about such things. I am lucky to have this forum to vent my frustrations re laws such as this. Men would self combust if someone brought up a topic like this?????.
I couldn't even talk to my father about something like this as enlightened as he is! I'm pretty sure that's why republicans can pass such laws! Someone brings it up and everyone immediately agrees, just to get the hell out of there!
Maybe young guys could because I see young guys going to the hairdressers and manicurists etc. We are not allowed to talk about emotional stuff or feelings etc. It's a law!
Men are not allowed to talk about such things. I am lucky to have this forum to vent my frustrations re laws such as this. Men would self combust if someone brought up a topic like this?????.
I couldn't even talk to my father about something like this as enlightened as he is! I'm pretty sure that's why republicans can pass such laws! Someone brings it up and everyone immediately agrees, just to get the hell out of there!
Maybe young guys could because I see young guys going to the hairdressers and manicurists etc. We are not allowed to talk about emotional stuff or feelings etc. It's a law!
Well, we're just not designed to do emotional stuff or talk about women's things. Hell, we are not allowed to talk about our own things! We're only limited to a few topics. Sports, cars, construction, lawnmowers and steaks! Or beer!
Why do you think I'm always advocating for women to run things!
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