The state of TX has a new law that provides for anybody to get a $10,000 bounty by suing any person discussing or assisting a woman in any way to have an abortion after six weeks, I.e., before many women even know they are pregnant. The burden is on the person sued to deny it, and if they win they cannot recover their legal costs. This means a driver, a friend to whom a woman confided, someone who bought her a bus ticket, a vindictive ex, clergy, a clinic receptionist, a neighbor you don’t like, a competitor, a restaurant where you didn’t like the service, a ref whose call you didn’t like … all open to being sued by anyone, and the burden on them to refute. Your rapist could impregnate you and then sue you. There are no exceptions for incest, pregnant children, or rape. There are obvious constitutional difficulties with this, information on which can be found in many sources. The SCOTUS declined to block it for the nonce, but have NOT invalidated Roe v Wade and are awaiting further suits.
A private group has put up a website where anonymous people can report any “suspicious” cases, which they will then refer to authorities…and I’ll bet they’ll expect to get the ten grand for every one. It is presently being flooded by fake reports, many hilarious. It’s taken off on Tik-Tok and Twitter at pic.Twitter.com/xgpvESdc5b If you’d like to join the fun, you can. Goto https://prolifewhistleblower.com/ and let your creativity flower as often as you like.
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4 minutes ago, chare said:
Ms. Najmabadi is the women's health reporter for the Texas Tribune. As she included this in the article, I presume that the statement is factual?
Do you have information to the contrary?
Her brief biography doesn't answer that question...what prevents the rapist or sexual abuser from suing the pregnant female?
13 minutes ago, GordonGekko said:
It should be more than just a fine. Assisting in murder in any way should come with criminal charges. Don't know how any healthcare professional could be against saving babies from being murdered,
Looking for attention again? A fetus is a fetus. You embarrass yourself with that type language.
(j) Notwithstanding any other law, a civil action under this section may not be brought by a person who impregnated the abortion patient through an act of rape, sexual assault, incest, or any other act prohibited by Sections 22.011, 22.021, or 25.02, Penal Code.
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27 minutes ago, GordonGekko said:
It should be more than just a fine.
:::Taps toes patiently::: It’s not a fine levied by the jurisdiction. It’s the right of anybody to sue somebody for having “aided and abetted.” This is why it’s so pernicious. Intentionally written to make it impossible for courts to entertain suit against any enforcement body, e.g., police or legislators, because they aren’t in a position to enforce. The law stated that the accuser can get $10 k from the accused.
As we know, anybody can sue anybody for anything. Whether or not they have a chance to prevail is another matter. Most attys will not take a losing case because they know they’ll also have to pay the other party’s costs when the case is lost.
This law was specifically tailored to place the burden of proof, normally on the prosecution side in criminal or civil cases for damages, on the person being sued to refute the accusation. And even if the accused prevail, I.e., prove the accusation brought was false, this law specifically prohibits the accuser for being liable for all costs to defend against his accusation.
And how is that determined, exactly? Most rape and sexual abuse is not reported to authorities...especially when women and girls are in unsafe environments.
And how is that determined, exactly? Most rape and sexual abuse is not reported to authorities...especially when women and girls are in unsafe environments.
The legal exclusion is there, written into the text of the law. If the rape, sexual assault, incest, or other prohibited act isn't reported presume, unfortunately this prohibition won't be applicable.
Please don't assume that I am either in favor of this law, or opposed to a woman's right to abortion.
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39 minutes ago, Hannahbanana said:
This law was specifically tailored to place the burden of proof, normally on the prosecution side in criminal or civil cases for damages, on the person being sued to refute the accusation. And even if the accused prevail, I.e., prove the accusation brought was false, this law specifically prohibits the accuser for being liable for all costs to defend against his accusation.
Sounds like the Liberals in the past few years attacking upstanding citizens like Trump, Kavanaugh, Gaetz, etc.....
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9 minutes ago, chare said:
The legal exclusion is there, written into the text of the law. If the rape, sexual assault, incest, or other prohibited act isn't reported presume, unfortunately this prohibition won't be applicable.
Please don't assume that I am either in favor of this law, or opposed to a woman's right to abortion.
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I didn't assume anything. Please don't accuse me of intention because you feel a certain way about my questions. There is nothing in that law which protects sexually abused females from further abuse after they discover a pregnancy.
2 minutes ago, GordonGekko said:
Sounds like the Liberals in the past few years attacking upstanding citizens like Trump, Kavanaugh, Gaetz, etc.....
That's the state of the GOP today...promoting liars, drunks and sexual predators as upstanding citizens. Go figure.
I started a thread called Pro Life about three days ago anticipating that Scotus would uphold Texas and no one responded. I immediately thought that women just do not seem to care what happens to them. I'm glad to see that you guys actually do!
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1 minute ago, Curious1997 said:
I started a thread called Pro Life about three days ago anticipating that Scotus would uphold Texas and no one responded. I immediately thought that women just do not seem to care what happens to them. I'm glad to see that you guys actually do!
As a mother and grandmother to girls I care WAY too much to be silent! And to not care.....
This situation is easily resolved if Biden pulls his finger out and smokes both Sinema and Manchin. Between him and Pelosi, they are done. There are lot of ways to make them comply to fix the filibuster. Then simply stack the Supreme Court as I have been saying for months now. That takes care of voter suppression and ensures Dems stay in power and allow republicans to come to their senses and to begin to contribute with some good ideas.
He'll be doing republicans a world of good by getting them back on the right track eventually.
Looking for attention again? A fetus is a fetus. You embarrass yourself with that type language.
Yes he is and yes he does. Makes provocative posts on inflammatory topics, hoping to upset someone or stir some crap. It’s so blatant it’s not even worth my time or energy responding to.
42 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:
This now IS a joke? Tongue in cheek? I sure as hell hope so.
No joke. He picked those three names specifically for what they have in common when it comes to women and things that can result in pregnancies.
2 hours ago, chare said:
The legal exclusion is there, written into the text of the law. If the rape, sexual assault, incest, or other prohibited act isn't reported presume, unfortunately this prohibition won't be applicable.
Is it enough that it is reported or would the rapist have to be convicted as opposed to just alleged/accused? Innocent until proven guilty?
Somehow I don’t think that the people responsible for this law went out of their way to provide women a ”loophole”. My guess would be that the only reason that paragraph about rapists is even there is likely because they didn’t want to look like complete knuckle-dragging barbarians, not because they have any real compassion for women who have been raped or are the victims of incest. They quite obviously don’t care one iota about women’s autonomy, physical health or emotional well-being.
This law, if it stands, will affect poor women. Women who have the means will simply travel to another state or country.
If the US continues down this path, pretty soon women in ISIL/ISIS controlled territories will be able to say; thank Allah, at least I don’t live in the US. You’re heading towards the Dark Ages at breakneck speed.
The East Germans tried this citizens spying on and reporting other citizens thing for decades. It didn’t turn out well.
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Her brief biography doesn't answer that question...what prevents the rapist or sexual abuser from suing the pregnant female?
Looking for attention again? A fetus is a fetus. You embarrass yourself with that type language.