I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
HOW exactly does a President cut car insurance rates of a private company? Is he going to have the Feds take over? Florida and other states would like help with their home owners insurance more I think.
Yes, a ridiculous promise.
That does remind me though, there are members here who claimed it wasn't the president's job to fix the border and it was up to congress are now championing Kamala's similar promises on the border and other issues.
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Crusades said:
Perhaps we should go off how Trump is an existential threat and needs to be eliminated? As per several democrats. If done correctly the next time someone wants to try and assisnated him, they'll use kryptonite infused bullets?
That's silly.
Trumps reckless and dangerous language and thinking is decidedly not silly. He's reaping some of the violent thinking he's sown.
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Crusades said:
I see you found another Republican president that had two assination attempts on his life in a short period of time. When was the last attempted assination X 2 of a FORMER president and/or presidential CANDIDATE Within 9 weeks?
I bet that timing has super duper significance in your mind. Can you come up with a conspiracy theory to explain the timing?
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Crusades said:
I think almost being assinated two times in 9 months gives him some validity as a victim. Right? Or at least acknowledge at least 2 people were out to get him. And it sure doesn't make the people who constantly criticize him for playing the victim more credible doesn't it? Perhaps this is his own stroke of luck (other than not dying 2 times) in order to put doubts in people's mind that perhaps he is being politically persecuted? He definitely was almost killed twice. And yet he didn't play on that did he? Barely spoke of it.
Yes. Biden called put political violence then repeated lies about Charlottesville and Project 2025. While in his angry man voice at the DNC.
Then everbody stopped talking about the attempted 1st assination after it was indeed found out to be a bullet that grazed his ear other than a peice of glass. There was very little mentioned about the innocent man who lost his life from the democrats. Trump did not use his death as a political campaign point.
Trump didn't speak much about the first attempt on his life. I was suprised. Then dems continued with their existential threat to democracy, dictator propaganda. However the second time.... Trump and Republicans and normal people have every right to call out the 7 plus years of violent rhetoric from democrats and left media propagandists for what led up to the second attempt to murder him in 9 months. And they have every right to use the exact same precedent set by the democrats to call them out. Hold them to their own standard. Blue pass denied.
Harris did really well at the debate, but Trump was almost assisnated for a second time. The only condolences from the democrats is to feel sorry for themselfs and only pretend they care that Trump was almost killed so close to the election...... . Again
(This excludes you Tweety).
Yes. Trump is a victim, but not a victim of political persecution.
Your ignorance of Trump's fundraising on the assassination attempts doesn't mean they aren't happening and if you listened to Trump you would know that Trump definitely talks about the attempts and that he's spent many hours studying video of the first shooting, evidence of the PTSD.
No one is surprised that Trump and his sychophants are blaming democrats for the agitated and violent emotional state of the American people. Trump and his surrogates fomented that. Remember how they laughed at the Pelosi attack?
Harris did well at the debate and her opponent did very poorly. In that very poor debate performance Trump told multiple inflammatory lies. His lies resulted in bomb threats and closure of elementary schools and city services... Trump's words agitate unstable people. He should stop before he gets someone hurt, maybe even himself.
Mocking people because they are glad Trump didn't get killed is an interesting strategy that you've used here previously. Are you trying to use sarcasm or are you being sincere?
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Beerman said:
Yes, a ridiculous promise.
That does remind me though, there are members here who claimed it wasn't the president's job to fix the border and it was up to congress are now championing Kamala's similar promises on the border and other issues.
Harris supports the languishing bill that will be dusted off and voted through congress should she get elected. Trump is the one who believes that the president can do whatever and doesn't need laws.
...He is a highly intelligent man,” he says of Vance, "and he has a fantastic education. But from a business standpoint, I don't get why he doesn't understand what a stable workforce means for us.” He compares Springfield to Vance's hometown. "Springfield and Middletown are like twin sisters. The Appalachian migration—this is a documented historical fact—was real, and it was about jobs, people looking for jobs, here and on up into Detroit. They came here for jobs. They needed work. They needed to take care of their families. And that's exactly what the Haitians need as well. In Springfield, it's history repeating itself. Before it was the Haitians, it was German and Irish immigrants, and they were treated like sh-t.
This is nothing new. It's not that there are no issues trying to assimilate 12,000 to 15,000 people in a community of 58,000. They are stressing our social services networks, our health care, and our education system. It's hard.”...
..The case against the Haitians isn't that they are welfare malingers or cat-eaters—or even that they are illegal immigrants who came here thanks to Joe Biden's lax border enforcement, which most of them aren't. The real issue is that by working overtime and investing in the community, they have made life more challenging for a reliable Trump-voting constituency: marginally employed white people on the dole. ...
....“When there is an influx of people arriving in a specific place, some people will feel threatened,” Dorsainvil says. It's normal and not necessarily unreasonable. What's needed? "More ESL classes and interpreters,” he says. "Cross-cultural education, which goes both ways.” Anything else?
"Driving lessons.”...
A lot of the tensions in Springfield are the result of real things. When people look different from you, don't speak your language, don't understand your culture, come from a faraway place with an abysmal reputation, there's going to be friction. But Vance and Trump aren't talking about the real things: They are talking about imaginary ravenous fiends for cat-flesh stalking the mean(ish) streets of Springfield....
But I'll give Vance the last word. Here he is on Twitter, back when Twitter was Twitter and J.D. Vance was J.D. Vance: "Trump makes people I care about afraid. Immigrants, Muslims, etc. Because of this, I find him reprehensible. God wants better of us.”
As Vance is doing this to "his own people" , what will he do to other communities???
I think almost being assinated two times in 9 months gives him some validity as a victim. Right? Or at least acknowledge at least 2 people were out to get him. And it sure doesn't make the people who constantly criticize him for playing the victim more credible doesn't it? Perhaps this is his own stroke of luck (other than not dying 2 times) in order to put doubts in people's mind that perhaps he is being politically persecuted? He definitely was almost killed twice. And yet he didn't play on that did he? Barely spoke of it.
Yes. Biden called put political violence then repeated lies about Charlottesville and Project 2025. While in his angry man voice at the DNC.
Then everbody stopped talking about the attempted 1st assination after it was indeed found out to be a bullet that grazed his ear other than a peice of glass. There was very little mentioned about the innocent man who lost his life from the democrats. Trump did not use his death as a political campaign point.
Trump didn't speak much about the first attempt on his life. I was suprised. Then dems continued with their existential threat to democracy, dictator propaganda. However the second time.... Trump and Republicans and normal people have every right to call out the 7 plus years of violent rhetoric from democrats and left media propagandists for what led up to the second attempt to murder him in 9 months. And they have every right to use the exact same precedent set by the democrats to call them out. Hold them to their own standard. Blue pass denied.
Harris did really well at the debate, but Trump was almost assisnated for a second time. The only condolences from the democrats is to feel sorry for themselfs and only pretend they care that Trump was almost killed so close to the election...... . Again
(This excludes you Tweety).
Harris called Trump after the 2nd attempt and expressed she was thankful he was safe. He has maximum security. What do you want? A ticker tape parade?
Even Fox News dropped coverage of the first assassination attempt quickly, and I don't remember you mentioning it to much after maybe the initial week. There's been investigations into the Secret Service. News cycles go on.
But now after the 2nd one Trump/Vance have stepped up the rhetoric that the attacks on Trump have got to stop. Sure for many years Trump as been attacked. Obama endured 8 years, Biden 4 years...too bad so sad, it comes with the territory.
I do think that language that could be considered violent should be toned down. I don't condone that from the Democrats.
I'm horrified Trump as had too assignation attempts and am happy he's safe. But the whining about being a victim of Democrat rhetoric and hateful talk is not something I can garner much sympathy towards. This is the man who calls people nasty, followers who chanted "hang Mike Pence", spreads racist lies about Haitians eating pets, who calls people "nasty", makes up Junior High names to bully his opponents, states "I hate Taylor Swift" on and on and on.
We reap what we sow.
As one writer puts it "Trump Brough Chaos to American Politics. Now it's engulfing him.".
From what I'm reading, Vance has now admitted that the fur baby slaughter story was made up and proceeded to insist that he'd do it again if it means protecting Americans from the horrors of (legal) immigration. He apparently found out the story was false two days before trump's disasterous debate performance. (Am also reading that there's a neo-Nazi crew getting in on the fun in Springfield. But we're not supposed to notice Nazi support for trump, so you didn't hear that from me.)
Maybe that's why trump has switched same-day sex change surgeries in school.
Let me clarify that I didn't mean he reaped an assassination attempt. He didn't deserve that.
I'm just saying perhaps the rhetoric from the Democrats are in response to his lies, conspiracy theories, and rhetoric.
I honestly wish there was more civility in politics. It's gotten out of hand on both sides. Maybe since Trump and Vance are so self-righteously objecting to it, they will start behaving better. We'll see.
Vance said: "Look, we can disagree with one another, we can debate one another, but we cannot tell the American people that one candidate is a fascist and if he's elected it is going to be the end of American democracy.”
What Vance didn't mention was that Trump has repeatedly told the American people that his opponent, Vice President Kamala Harris, is a fascist whose election would mean the end of the country itself.
This is kind of what I mean by pot meet the kettle.
But maybe Trump is going to tone down the rhetoric, even though his crowd booed when he said Biden and Harris were nice to him.
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Former President Trump said Tuesday that both President Biden and Vice President Harris were "so nice" in their calls following an apparent assassination attempt on Trump over the weekend, hinting that it made it more difficult to attack them.
Beerman, BSN
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Yes, a ridiculous promise.
That does remind me though, there are members here who claimed it wasn't the president's job to fix the border and it was up to congress are now championing Kamala's similar promises on the border and other issues.