I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
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Crusades said:
Except you purposly worded your comment that suggested it was "Trump" that said it. Or "Trump's team".
The fist comment about curry was racist. The second comment was distasteful and inappropriate. Feel free to continue with your propaganda you claim Republicans do more....
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Crusades said:
Please provide an example of a systemic policy/proseedure/ law/bill etc etc that discriminate against a class at a systemic level. Other than Affirmative Action....
How do we know of she was a DEI hire or not? And if she was then that's great. Means DEI is working right?
I might agree that calling her a DEI hire is inappropriate. Actually I do agree it is. However both sides, yes, I know you feel Republicans do it more... are shamefully guilty of mud slinging and desparaging their opponents.
Reality in which you couldn't provide actual examples? Is that your "reality" you think it is so it must be?
Nah. This is the Trump thread. He may be a racist but I'm not going to have another protracted "discussion" with you about the topic. Start a thread on racism and see if you can get someone to argue with you.
Do you realize that you admitted that suggesting a black woman is a DEI hire is bad and then you immediately suggested without example or evidence that both sides do it and mentioned other mud slinging. It's bad, but democrats do it too and there's other bad stuff = so the racism isn't really a big deal? What point were you trying to make there? To me it seems like you were simply normalizing racism. Is that what you were trying to do?
Can and won't are two different things. We both know that I can provide examples because I have on multiple occasions. Silly you.
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Crusades said:
The racism accusations was made here by a member. By making a misleading statement allocating it to Trump.
I would fully support DEI if it was focused on creating business goals to have your employees resemble the population. I'm going to use colors to give my example.
The population has, 70 % purple people, 20% green people and 10% orange people (excluding Trump LOL). A Business/government bodies should also reflect that.
However some may say the state of DEI currently focuses on " we have more purple people than you, we are more inclusive.......". Then the discrimination and racism accusations follow. This is evident when comparing the ethnic make up og the Biden Admin and the Trump admin.
DEI has the risk to put businesses and government bodies in a impossible position. There may be many more purple people available for positions depending on the population of the geographical area. (A city with more purple people will have more potential hires). Thus making it impossible to to fufill a DEI quota or mandate. The business could be accused of discrimination or bias. This could lead to businesses puposly chosing the less qualified applicant. In certain professions this could be dangerous.
With the current state of division, it could be used to to make accusations of racism/discrimination and/or making a certain demographic considered hired due to their ethnicity not their merit. As we have plenty of example currently.
I do not trust that these would not be exploited for a benefit. Too much risk of misuse and abuse.
I have to follow a initiative that does not consider ethnicity as a qualification or a trophy or something to exploit.
I call Trump a racist. I give him exactly zero benefits of the doubt on issues like racism because he has demonstrated over and over in his public life that he is a racist.
Nothing was misattributed to Trump.
What are the goals of DEI initiatives? Why do you think that a goal of an employee population resembling the general population wouldn't be in DEI initiatives?
How does it put businesses in impossible positions?
Tell me more about the DEI quotas and magnates.
Are DEI candidates less qualified for jobs, generally speaking?
I could make an argument that our current divisions are intentional and that there are agitators intentionally fanning flames. Trump is one of those agitators.
"Systemic racism is a machine that runs whether we pull the levers or not, and by just letting it be, we are responsible for what it produces. We have to actually dismantle the machine if we want to make change."—Ijeoma Oluo
When we do nothing racist habits persist. Some people are cool with that, are you one of them?
Why do you think that DEI initiatives consider ethnicity to be a qualification, a trophy, or something to exploit? Who did you use as a resource, Charlie Kirk or Tucker Carlson?
I call Trump a racist. I give him exactly zero benefits of the doubt on issues like racism because he has demonstrated over and over in his public life that he is a racist.
Nothing was misattributed to Trump.
What are the goals of DEI initiatives? Why do you think that a goal of an employee population resembling the general population wouldn't be in DEI initiatives?
How does it put businesses in impossible positions?
Tell me more about the DEI quotas and magnates.
Are DEI candidates less qualified for jobs, generally speaking?
I could make an argument that our current divisions are intentional and that there are agitators intentionally fanning flames. Trump is one of those agitators.
"Systemic racism is a machine that runs whether we pull the levers or not, and by just letting it be, we are responsible for what it produces. We have to actually dismantle the machine if we want to make change."—Ijeoma Oluo
When we do nothing racist habits persist. Some people are cool with that, are you one of them?
Why do you think that DEI initiatives consider ethnicity to be a qualification, a trophy, or something to exploit? Who did you use as a resource, Charlie Kirk or Tucker Carlson?
It would be more credible if you didn't feel the need to use propaganda by misleading a comment to make it sound as though Trump made a comment or had something to do with it. Because this person knows Trump.
What "systemic machine"? Where is it? What is it? What policy/procedures/laws or facilities are systemically discriminating against any ethnicity? Which one? Which ethnicity? How can you call out something you can't even define or identify?
We could dismantle the "machine" except no one can show what the "machine" is. Or where it is. Such a prominent "system" it should be easy to identify and yet here we are.
Nah. This is the Trump thread. He may be a racist but I'm not going to have another protracted "discussion" with you about the topic. Start a thread on racism and see if you can get someone to argue with you.
Do you realize that you admitted that suggesting a black woman is a DEI hire is bad and then you immediately suggested without example or evidence that both sides do it and mentioned other mud slinging. It's bad, but democrats do it too and there's other bad stuff = so the racism isn't really a big deal? What point were you trying to make there? To me it seems like you were simply normalizing racism. Is that what you were trying to do?
Can and won't are two different things. We both know that I can provide examples because I have on multiple occasions. Silly you.
Did I call Harris a DEI hire? We already went through this and you could not provide evidence that I did. So I can't imagine you'll do it now.
DEI is a nice idea. However the risk of abuse and creating problems where it was meant to rectify is too great.
I got the impression that we can make speculations and claims without providing examples. Like certain procedures and mental/cognitive health.
Please provide an example of a systemic policy/proseedure/ law/bill etc etc that discriminate against a class at a systemic level. Other than Affirmative Action....
Laws that established a 100:1 sentencing ratio for crack vs powder cocaine possession:
5 grams of crack triggered a mandatory minimum sentence of 5 years in federal prison.
The same 5-year mandatory minimum required possession of 500 grams of powder cocaine
(Both have similar pharmacological effects)
Crack cocaine use is associated with low income minority communities who are receiving harsher penalties then their white, wealthier counterparts.
Efforts to reform have not been completely successful. Ratio is now 18:1 instead of 100:1. The current bill to eliminate the disparity is stalled in the Senate.
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Crusades said:
Did I call Harris a DEI hire? We already went through this and you could not provide evidence that I did. So I can't imagine you'll do it now.
DEI is a nice idea. However the risk of abuse and creating problems where it was meant to rectify is too great.
I got the impression that we can make speculations and claims without providing examples. Like certain procedures and mental/cognitive health.
You don't even know what DEI really is. Your last comment reflected that reality.
You don't seem to realize that the absence of diversity, equity, and inclusion in our society is simply the perpetuation of our racist historical tendencies. The risk of abuse of POC is high if we put higher value in imagined risks rather than known historical risks. It's like you are pretending that we aren't a country with a violent racist history.
Of course you can make unfounded speculation in these threads. You're being silly again.
Trump is a racist and has been known as such since the '70s. Not about to litigate that yet again. His history is available for anyone to see. Read it.
Also not going to re-litigate systemic racism or why cultural prejudices/stereotypes are not the same as racism. Again, that discussion has been going on for decades. Go to a library. Suffice it to say that I don't think that word means what most people here think it means.
Does anyone remember the conservative posters who insisted that racism is all gone because Obama?
PA: A Commonwealth Court judge ruled in 2023 that Pennsylvania's school funding system (property taxes) so badly underfunds poor districts that it violates the state constitution. My school tax bill $6,500. My brother in VA has no property tax, based on state sales tax.
Environmental Injustice: Racially segregated communities have often experienced the damaging health effects of environmental injustice. Examples include well-documented patterns of selectively locating coal-fired power plants and hazardous waste disposal, Lead water pipe contamination like in Flint.
Criminal Justice System: people of color represent 39 percent of the US population,23 they make up over 60 percent of incarcerated people...
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heron said:
Trump is a racist and has been known as such since the '70s. Not about to litigate that yet again. His history is available for anyone to see. Read it.
Also not going to re-litigate systemic racism or why cultural prejudices/stereotypes are not the same as racism. Again, that discussion has been going on for decades. Go to a library. Suffice it to say that I don't think that word means what most people here think it means.
Does anyone remember the conservative posters who insisted that racism is all gone because Obama?
You guys have fun.
It's not fun, really, playing word games with people who are living in a delusion and playing make believe.
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