Many hospitals are moving towards creating mandatory influenza vaccination policies as a condition of employment. Such mandates are causing surefire responses on both sides of the fence. What is the push behind the movement, and what is causing the pushback?
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First, let me just go over some of the symptoms of the flu, and then we will get down to business on the controversy surrounding the push to create mandatory flu vaccines for healthcare workers:
I can't think of anyone who wants any of these symptoms, or to come down with the flu, can you?
Influenza vaccination research has clearly documented the benefits of receiving the flu vaccine (Google it - you will find a plethora of information...however, I will list some links at the end of this article for your information). However, even though there is sufficient evidence to prove the benefits of receiving the flu vaccine, vaccination rates among healthcare workers are pitifully low. In 2013, only 55% of nurses in the frontlines were vaccinated.
Organizations such as The Joint Commission, the American Nurses Association, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American Academy of Pediatrics, American College of Physicians, Infectious Diseases Society of America, the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, the Centers for Disease Control, Healthy People 2020, etc., etc., have stated their position on recommending the flu vaccine for healthcare workers in order to decrease the risk of exposure and reduce deaths. Due to this recommendation, many healthcare facilities are now creating mandatory flu vaccine policies as a condition of employment.
Employers who create mandatory policies will have exemptions, of course. Exemptions are made for medical and religious exceptions. For places that do not have a mandatory flu vaccine, they may "strongly recommend" the vaccination and may have a declination form for employees to submit if they refuse the vaccine. Additionally, some employers will enforce refusers to wear a mask during flu season while they are at work in order to protect the patients and the employee.
Evidence has shown that there are more than 36,000 deaths in the US each year related to influenza, and more than 200,000 hospitalizations. Influenza is the 6th leading cause of death. Healthcare workers are the leading cause of influenza outbreaks in the healthcare system. up to 50% of people who are infected by the flu virus do not fill ill for several days and can spread the virus to people at risk of complications and death from the flu. Additionally, evidence shows vaccination decreases mortality by 40%, decreases the spread of nosocomial infections by 43%, and decreases absenteeism by 20-30%.
Additionally, there is the ethics to consider. As healthcare workers, we have all taken an oath to "do no harm". As a nurse caring for patients who are not in their most physically healthy state, do we take the vaccination in order to prevent spreading the flu to our vulnerable patients, in order to "do no harm"? We must consider this when we make our decision to take or refuse the vaccination.
I have the names of a few hospitals, and this is by no means a comprehensive list. This is based on a ListServe survey of hospitals and these are the responses received:
Refusal may be largely due to misconceptions related to the vaccine. Fears that the immune system will cause them to get the flu, beliefs that hygiene and better nutrition are more helpful than the vaccine, fear of needles, beliefs that the vaccine does not work, and fear of side effects. Others believe that they have a constitutional right to refuse the vaccine and that mandatory policies are violating these rights.
(taken from the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health outline of flu vaccine talking points for managers)
The flu shot does not give people the flu. It uses inactivated ("dead") virus. People may still catch a cold or other virus that the vaccine is not designed match.
Studies have shown that flu vaccination prevents flu in 70% to 90% of healthy adults younger than 65 years old.
You need a new vaccine every year - the virus changes over time.
Serious adverse reactions are very rare. They are explained on the CDC's Vaccine Information Statement, which is distributed when the vaccine is administered.
Local short-term reactions - such soreness at the vaccination site, slight fever, achy feeling - may occur but usually do not last long. Over the counter medicines are helpful. Even short-term reactions are much less bothersome than catching the flu and feeling very sick for days.
Your patients are at-risk, and possibly some friends and family members. You can be infected with the flu virus but not feel ill - and can still transmit flu to at-risk patients.
Inactivated influenza vaccine is effective in preventing transmission and reducing complications of the flu. In years when there is a close match between the vaccine and circulating virus strains, the vaccine prevents illness among approximately 70%--90% of healthy adults under 65 years of age. Vaccinating healthy adults also has been proven to lead to decreased work absenteeism and use of health-care resources, including use of antibiotics. Strong protection is also expected when the vaccine is not a close match with circulating strains, with 50%--77% effectiveness in these instances. In addition, effectiveness against influenza-related hospitalization for healthy adults from inactivated vaccine is estimated at 90%.
All healthcare facilities will be facing the choice of creating a mandatory influenza vaccination in the near future, if they have not already. In order to make an informed decision on the topic, we must have information. Knowledge is power. Before you make a blanket statement on pros or cons, have the information you need, know the research, and make an educated decision.
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References
American Association of Family Practitioners. (2011). AAFP supports mandatory flu vaccinations for healthcare personnel. Retrieved from: AAFP Supports Mandatory Flu Vaccinations for Health Care Personnel
ATrain. (2014). To accept or refuse the flu vaccine. Retrieved from: ZZZ_133_Influenza: Module 7
CDC. (2014). Vaccination: Who should do it, who should not and who should take precautions. Retrieved from: Vaccination: Who Should Do It, Who Should Not and Who Should Take Precautions | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC
Influenza Action Coalition. (2015). Influenza vaccination honor roll. Retrieved from: Honor Roll: Mandatory Influenza Vaccination Policies for Healthcare Personnel
Los Angeles County Department of Public Health. (2014). Talking points for managers. Retrieved from: http://tinyurl.com/p6nbg2u
National adult and influenza immunization summit. (2015). Vaccinating healthcare personnel. Retrieved from: Vaccinating Healthcare Personnel - National Adult and Influenza Immunization Summit
NursingTimes. (2014). Why do health workers decline flu vaccination? Retrieved from: http://www.nursingtimes.net/Journals/2014/11/28/y/k/x/031214-Why-do-health-workers-decline-flu-vaccination.pdf
TJC. (2012). R3 Report: Requirement, rationale, reference. Retrieved from: http://www.jointcommission.org/assets/1/18/R3_Report_Issue_3_5_18_12_final.pdf
I do have a question. I know how many places are mandating vaccines for nurses. However, I heard they're not always mandated for doctors..or are they? Just wondering your thoughts on it if they're not.
Not only the physicians, but also contract staff such as the perfusionists in the cardiac ORs, company reps who come into the OR, volunteers, you name it.
I do have a question. I know how many places are mandating vaccines for nurses. However, I heard they're not always mandated for doctors..or are they? Just wondering your thoughts on it if they're not.
Anyone working in a patient care area needs to get one in LA county, or must wear the mask of shame (that's really all it does; it's not protecting anyone). We have one float nurse wearing one. I'd prefer she just not come work in our clinic as she's putting my immunocompromised patients at risk.
I do have a question. I know how many places are mandating vaccines for nurses. However, I heard they're not always mandated for doctors..or are they? Just wondering your thoughts on it if they're not.
I asked before and possibly you missed it, so I will ask again:
What harm is the vaccine causing?
Hi Ixchel,
You wrote:
"...While I don't disagree B complex and B-12 have fantastic benefits, I know nothing about its ability to actually cause myelin to regrow. I will tell you I have done a small amount of myelin health as I have a spinal injury that has resulted in a big chunk of myelin to be simply gone from slightly above my cauda aquina and not once have the several doctors I've seen in the last few years even mentioned it. I'll do reading and get back to you on that."
I'm sorry to hear about your myelin problem! (And yes, see what you can find, about myelin regrowth, and let me know.)
To try to help that other patient who now is having residual effects of the GBS/Guillain Barre Syndrome, which GBS happened a few weeks after that pt. had a flu shot last year (and you never know, maybe this could help your myelin problem, too!), I did some checking online, about how to promote myelin regeneration, and here's what I found, so far:
1) Vitamin B complex (I use Country Life, "Action B-50"--one capsule once a day, after first meal, with glassful of well water--not icy cold. This helps my own peripheral neuropathy, probably due to lack of stomach making enough HCl/hydrochloric acid, resulting in what used to be a Vitamin B-12 deficiency.)
2) Vitamin B-12 in the "Methyl" cobal amin form (works better supposedly, compared with "Cyano" cobal amin. This is what really helped decrease the peripheral neuropathy.
I use the "KAL" brand of Vitamin B 12 ("methyl" form--not time release), and it's "sublingual", to bypass any digestive absorption issues that might exist.
3) In a forum of GBS/Guillain Barre Syndrome patients, more than one recommended:
Vitamin D3 (chole-calciferol), which supposedly promotes myelin repair.
I personally use only 1,000 i.u./internat'l units of Vitamin D3, daily, to prevent osteoporosis--I hope--and I use my chiropracter's brand, called "Progena", that has just rice solids as the "excipient" (filler). I take the Vit. D3 right after a meal that contains some fat/oil, since Vit. D3 is a "fat soluble" vitamin (hormone).
4) In that same forum, some recommended Magnesium supplements, to relax muscles (preventing spasming).
5) Fats and oils, plus some protein (constituents of "myelin", which is mostly made of cholesterol, plus some other fats and proteins):
organic: olive oil, coconut oil, fish oil (I like "Fisol" which is enteric coated, so doesn't cause fishy burps), fatty fish such as salmon or cod for both fats and protein, organic free range eggs (yolks have cholesterol in them, and eggs contain proteins)
7) Here are a couple of links from that forum:
Do vitamins help - Guillain-Barre Support - Online Support Group
and
Do vitamins help - Guillain-Barre Support - Online Support Group
I hope this helps!
Yes, they are. Anyone who works in a hospital in NY needs to show proof.I work in HH and they asked for my flu shot, which I got in October. (and lived to tell the tale)
I need to hand it in by December 1.
Why do you ask?
:) "And lived to tell the tale" ...and I'm glad you did too!
I asked about doctors being vaccinated only because I heard one place they weren't (not in NY). Thanks Farawyn, was just wondering. Like your LOTR-like nic too lol
I asked before and possibly you missed it, so I will ask again:What harm is the vaccine causing?
What harm is the vaccine causing?...well, for one, I would think the adjuvants injected year after year, have an effect. I never questioned anything for years, (like everyone else), but, it's alarming now how many toxic substances are going in vaccines, and not just mercury. And, it's not just one. Children get 26 from birth to just get to start school. I suppose then the flu vaccine each year for them as well. Then to hear adults getting bad reactions, and the constant downplay and denials. I've read too many "exceptions" to no longer ignore what they may be doing. What responses I've gotten on most of those experiences are the typical ones, but, then there's the personal attacking of poor mothers who are going through literal hell with their once happy, healthy children. I guess I didn't want to get too much into it. But, you asked :)...Just going to the CDC site itself, reading all the substances should be a little disturbing I would think. Anyway, that's it. Besides my own little "experience", I can see how frustrating it is for those who have suffered much worse, only to be dismissed. The part that's more disturbing now is actually forcing people (including children) to take them like it or not. That's most disturbing, and sounding even more "fishy". The "herd" immunity is beyond belief, running the "blood is on your hands" if you DON'T get vaccinated. I'm dumbfounded with it.
I suppose you all remember the "Disney 20". The biggest deal of how children not vaccinated got the measles (a once mild childhood disease we all got btw). Well, it wasn't a surprise that the 15 UNvaccinated got the measles. What was surprising was the 5 (not just 1) of the 20 who WERE vaccinated got the measles anyway. That wasn't given a second thought though. :)
What harm is the vaccine causing?...well, for one, I would think the adjuvants injected year after year, have an effect. I never questioned anything for years, (like everyone else), but, it's alarming now how many toxic substances are going in vaccines, and not just mercury. And, it's not just one. Children get 26 from birth to just get to start school. I suppose then the flu vaccine each year for them as well. Then to hear adults getting bad reactions, and the constant downplay and denials. I've read too many "exceptions" to no longer ignore what they may be doing. What responses I've gotten on most of those experiences are the typical ones, but, then there's the personal attacking of poor mothers who are going through literal hell with their once happy, healthy children. I guess I didn't want to get too much into it. But, you asked :)...Just going to the CDC site itself, reading all the substances should be a little disturbing I would think. Anyway, that's it. Besides my own little "experience", I can see how frustrating it is for those who have suffered much worse, only to be dismissed. The part that's more disturbing now is actually forcing people (including children) to take them like it or not. That's most disturbing, and sounding even more "fishy". The "herd" immunity is beyond belief, running the "blood is on your hands" if you DON'T get vaccinated. I'm dumbfounded with it.
You might think that but it doesn't make it true. I know you are a self-thought expert on all these topics because you "just know" and you "read it" but there have been hundreds of studies on thousands of people of all ages that have demonstrated these adjuncts in the dosages used are booth safe and effective.
You keep saying "herd immunity" is a myth. I have explained it to you many times. It's simple math. You don't even have to be an expert to understand it, and you can definitely Google it and read it on the internet. The herd immunity threshold, look it up.
I suppose you all remember the "Disney 20". The biggest deal of how children not vaccinated got the measles (a once mild childhood disease we all got btw). Well, it wasn't a surprise that the 15 UNvaccinated got the measles. What was surprising was the 5 (not just 1) of the 20 who WERE vaccinated got the measles anyway. That wasn't given a second thought though. :)
There were 34 cases and out of them 6 were reported to be vaccinated.
You just demonstrated how herd immunity works! Imagine that. Vaccination stopped a pandemic spread.
One case of mealses will result in 12-18 new cases if exposed to a non-immune population. This means about 90% of those exposed will get sick.
The herd immunity threshold for measles is 92-95%. California as of 2015 had vaccination rates for measles dip to 92.6%. We know that there are non-responders to measles vaccination at approximately 1-2%. California was very near the critical threshold for vaccination to stop a pandemic. It spread far enough to get 34 people sick because so many we unvaccinated, luckily the number of vaccinated people were able to stop the spread.
So lets take 1,000 people at the park that day. If 92.6% were vaccinated that leaves 921 vaccinated and 79 unvaccinated. Of those 79 we can estimate 71 will get measles. Of the 921 vaccinated 1-2% will get sick, or about 10-18. So out of 1,000 people we get 81-89 cases of which 10-18 are vaccinated. This is pretty similar to what played out at Disneyland.
Farawyn
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Yes, they are. Anyone who works in a hospital in NY needs to show proof.
I work in HH and they asked for my flu shot, which I got in October. (and lived to tell the tale)
I need to hand it in by December 1.
Why do you ask?