The Controversy: Mandatory Flu Vaccines

Many hospitals are moving towards creating mandatory influenza vaccination policies as a condition of employment. Such mandates are causing surefire responses on both sides of the fence. What is the push behind the movement, and what is causing the pushback?

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First, let me just go over some of the symptoms of the flu, and then we will get down to business on the controversy surrounding the push to create mandatory flu vaccines for healthcare workers:

  • Sudden onset fever
  • Headache
  • Chills
  • Myalgia
  • Dry cough
  • Sore throat
  • Stuffy nose
  • Loss of appetite
  • Limb or joint pain
  • Difficulty sleeping
  • Diarrhea or upset stomach

I can't think of anyone who wants any of these symptoms, or to come down with the flu, can you?

Influenza vaccination research has clearly documented the benefits of receiving the flu vaccine (Google it - you will find a plethora of information...however, I will list some links at the end of this article for your information). However, even though there is sufficient evidence to prove the benefits of receiving the flu vaccine, vaccination rates among healthcare workers are pitifully low. In 2013, only 55% of nurses in the frontlines were vaccinated.

Organizations such as The Joint Commission, the American Nurses Association, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American Academy of Pediatrics, American College of Physicians, Infectious Diseases Society of America, the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, the Centers for Disease Control, Healthy People 2020, etc., etc., have stated their position on recommending the flu vaccine for healthcare workers in order to decrease the risk of exposure and reduce deaths. Due to this recommendation, many healthcare facilities are now creating mandatory flu vaccine policies as a condition of employment.

Employers who create mandatory policies will have exemptions, of course. Exemptions are made for medical and religious exceptions. For places that do not have a mandatory flu vaccine, they may "strongly recommend" the vaccination and may have a declination form for employees to submit if they refuse the vaccine. Additionally, some employers will enforce refusers to wear a mask during flu season while they are at work in order to protect the patients and the employee.

What is the purpose behind the push toward flu vaccines?

Evidence has shown that there are more than 36,000 deaths in the US each year related to influenza, and more than 200,000 hospitalizations. Influenza is the 6th leading cause of death. Healthcare workers are the leading cause of influenza outbreaks in the healthcare system. up to 50% of people who are infected by the flu virus do not fill ill for several days and can spread the virus to people at risk of complications and death from the flu. Additionally, evidence shows vaccination decreases mortality by 40%, decreases the spread of nosocomial infections by 43%, and decreases absenteeism by 20-30%.

Additionally, there is the ethics to consider. As healthcare workers, we have all taken an oath to "do no harm". As a nurse caring for patients who are not in their most physically healthy state, do we take the vaccination in order to prevent spreading the flu to our vulnerable patients, in order to "do no harm"? We must consider this when we make our decision to take or refuse the vaccination.

What hospitals have created a mandatory flu vaccine policy?

I have the names of a few hospitals, and this is by no means a comprehensive list. This is based on a ListServe survey of hospitals and these are the responses received:

  • Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (Philadelphia, PA) - since 2009
  • Children's Mercy Hospitals and Clinics (Kansas City, MO)
  • Children's Colorado (Aurora, CO)
  • Children's Hospital of the King's Daughters (Norfolk, VA)
  • Children's Medical Center Dallas (Dallas, TX) - since 2012
  • Riley Children's (Indianapolis, IN) - since 2012
  • East Tennessee Children's (Knoxville, TX) - since 2013
  • Boston Children's (Boston, MA)
  • Sharp Mary Birch Hospital for Women and Newborns (San Diego, CA) - since 2013
  • Roger Williams Medical Center (Providence, RI)
  • Brookwood Medical Center (Birmingham, AL)
  • Johns Hopkins (all hospitals/clinics) (Baltimore, MD)
  • Driscoll Children's Hospital (Corpus Christi, TX)
  • Spohn Health System (Corpus Christi / San Antonio, TX)
  • All Connecticut Hospitals

What are some reasons that people refuse the flu vaccine?

Refusal may be largely due to misconceptions related to the vaccine. Fears that the immune system will cause them to get the flu, beliefs that hygiene and better nutrition are more helpful than the vaccine, fear of needles, beliefs that the vaccine does not work, and fear of side effects. Others believe that they have a constitutional right to refuse the vaccine and that mandatory policies are violating these rights.

Common concerns and myths about the flu vaccination

(taken from the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health outline of flu vaccine talking points for managers)

The flu shot will give me the flu

The flu shot does not give people the flu. It uses inactivated ("dead") virus. People may still catch a cold or other virus that the vaccine is not designed match.

I don't believe the flu vaccine actually works

Studies have shown that flu vaccination prevents flu in 70% to 90% of healthy adults younger than 65 years old.

I had the vaccination last year

You need a new vaccine every year - the virus changes over time.

What about possible adverse reactions

Serious adverse reactions are very rare. They are explained on the CDC's Vaccine Information Statement, which is distributed when the vaccine is administered.

Local short-term reactions - such soreness at the vaccination site, slight fever, achy feeling - may occur but usually do not last long. Over the counter medicines are helpful. Even short-term reactions are much less bothersome than catching the flu and feeling very sick for days.

I'm not in a high-risk group

Your patients are at-risk, and possibly some friends and family members. You can be infected with the flu virus but not feel ill - and can still transmit flu to at-risk patients.

The flu vaccine made every year does not match the circulating flu strain

Inactivated influenza vaccine is effective in preventing transmission and reducing complications of the flu. In years when there is a close match between the vaccine and circulating virus strains, the vaccine prevents illness among approximately 70%--90% of healthy adults under 65 years of age. Vaccinating healthy adults also has been proven to lead to decreased work absenteeism and use of health-care resources, including use of antibiotics. Strong protection is also expected when the vaccine is not a close match with circulating strains, with 50%--77% effectiveness in these instances. In addition, effectiveness against influenza-related hospitalization for healthy adults from inactivated vaccine is estimated at 90%.

Knowledge is Power

All healthcare facilities will be facing the choice of creating a mandatory influenza vaccination in the near future, if they have not already. In order to make an informed decision on the topic, we must have information. Knowledge is power. Before you make a blanket statement on pros or cons, have the information you need, know the research, and make an educated decision.

Please respond to this article by answering the following questions:

  1. Do you take the flu vaccine yearly? If you do not, what is the reason you do not participate (if you don't mind answering this question)?
  2. Does your employer have a mandatory influenza vaccination policy as a condition of employment? If yes, where do you work?
  3. What concerns do you have about the flu vaccine?
  4. Do you know if anyone who has been released from their job because they did not get the flu vaccine?

References

American Association of Family Practitioners. (2011). AAFP supports mandatory flu vaccinations for healthcare personnel. Retrieved from: AAFP Supports Mandatory Flu Vaccinations for Health Care Personnel

ATrain. (2014). To accept or refuse the flu vaccine. Retrieved from: ZZZ_133_Influenza: Module 7

CDC. (2014). Vaccination: Who should do it, who should not and who should take precautions. Retrieved from: Vaccination: Who Should Do It, Who Should Not and Who Should Take Precautions | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC

Influenza Action Coalition. (2015). Influenza vaccination honor roll. Retrieved from: Honor Roll: Mandatory Influenza Vaccination Policies for Healthcare Personnel

Los Angeles County Department of Public Health. (2014). Talking points for managers. Retrieved from: http://tinyurl.com/p6nbg2u

National adult and influenza immunization summit. (2015). Vaccinating healthcare personnel. Retrieved from: Vaccinating Healthcare Personnel - National Adult and Influenza Immunization Summit

NursingTimes. (2014). Why do health workers decline flu vaccination? Retrieved from: http://www.nursingtimes.net/Journals/2014/11/28/y/k/x/031214-Why-do-health-workers-decline-flu-vaccination.pdf

TJC. (2012). R3 Report: Requirement, rationale, reference. Retrieved from: http://www.jointcommission.org/assets/1/18/R3_Report_Issue_3_5_18_12_final.pdf

Specializes in critical care.
Of course his one experience doesn't "prove" anything to those who don't know how amazing Vitamin C is personally (as I do), but, nevertheless, I think it's worth mentioning. I've had many times the beginning of a cold, one time "flu-like" symptoms, and once again used Vitamin C along with honey, apple cider vinegar and cinnamon, and amazingly, they altogether apparently stopped the symptoms too! It does depend on how quickly one can catch them imo. So I found. This is years of experience speaking :) So, pardon me but, I think there's something very wrong with those "science" studies. Maybe how they're done. Maybe what they use. I just wouldn't wait for them to "prove" too much.

Please forgive the rude, straightforwardness of this question, but why are you here on allnurses? I ask because based on your above statement, you clearly think nurses are idiots and our approach to evidence based practice is unfounded. You aren't a nurse or in the medical field in any way. You seem to be on a mission to break us nurses of our conspiracy-laden chains, which, as you've seen, will not ever happen because we know how actual research and the immune system REALLY works. So, why are you here? Are you legitimately trolling us? Because it would be good to know so I can stop wasting time on this.

Specializes in critical care.

Just want to say, it's only in the presence of "professional" medicals, do I feel like some kind of "enemy" mentioning natural remedies that work so well. As I said, I wonder how much we're on the same page of "health" concerns. Actually "warning" me to not say what I know. It is not writing out dangerous prescriptions, it's speaking of how well vitamins might work. There is a difference.

They are warning you to stop because the more you talk (write), the more obvious it is that you clearly do not understand what you are talking about at all, and you have absolutely no regard for the consequences of this misinformation. Some of what you suggest is actually dangerous. And you keep proclaiming your knowledge of respiratory disorders, based on your EXPERIENCE which you have further gone on to prove is false as well (popping a vit C at the onset of an asthma attack can actually kill someone, if they actually believe they can get rid of the attack that way).

Your blatant disregard for valid medical knowledge and brazen intentions to spread it anyway is a massive risk to anyone who actually believes you. Not one of us here has said natural remedies as a whole are bad for you. Not one of us has said vitamins are bogus. The way YOU use them is NOT BASED ON ANYTHING REMOTELY TRUE. These things work for you based on placebo alone.

Learn what vitamins do on a cellular level, and what each part of your immune system does, including what vaccination actually does, and then come back here and talk to us. I don't mean go find some blog. I mean, go find an anatomy and physiology textbook, go find a microbiology text book, go find a pathophysiology textbook, and LEARN.

Your EXPERIENCE is what we science folk call ANECDOTE, which basically means your belief based on your experience. It is not fact. It is not science. It is, when it stands alone, opinion only.

I am going to guess you are in your 20s, based on the fact that sometimes, childhood asthma changes into adulthood. In severity, in triggers. Children also outgrow allergies into adulthood, so if an allergen triggered your asthma, it may very well go away.

Vitamin C decreases inflammation, generally when taken chronically. If you are at the onset of an asthma "attack", you pop a Vitamin C, and the attack goes away, I believe you should be assessed for anxiety. Anxiety can present similarly and will respond to placebo (which the vitamin C would be at that point), whereas bronchospasm/constriction will not.

A site to present a balanced and researched summary of effectiveness and methods of treatment uses (https://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/condition/asthma):

Now, the person who was flu positive for 4 years out of 5, I'm sure you'll say yes regardless of what really happened, but did she have nasal swabs every time to confirm? It's a frustrating truth that people tend to say they have had the flu without ever testing to confirm, and often they can't tell the difference between the flu and a different virus. If they did have the flu, I guarantee they had a less severe illness than they would have. (And yes, that is only my opinion, based only on my experience.)

NOT ONE OF US dismisses the value of vitamins. We just usually know what each one REALLY does, not what random quacks like to tell you on the Internet.

Ok, I did go to your link there, and it said a few times "Page not found". However, here's one that may give info too:

Vitamin C | University of Michigan Health System

Lots of studies that seem to confirm what I know there actually.

Re: Please forgive the rude, straightforwardness of this question, but why are you here on allnurses? I ask because based on your above statement, you clearly think nurses are idiots and our approach to evidence based practice is unfounded. You aren't a nurse or in the medical field in any way. You seem to be on a mission to break us nurses of our conspiracy-laden chains, which, as you've seen, will not ever happen because we know how actual research and the immune system REALLY works. So, why are you here? Are you legitimately trolling us? Because it would be good to know so I can stop wasting time on this.

Of course you're not idiots. You're educated and informed, but, it does matter what one is educated and informed of. I came here from a google search, and I do see it's for nurses only. Just had to include my experience with flu, respiratory problems, and vaccines as the subject that's all. I understand I'm not part of the "club". Still, felt compelled to tell that poor soul about vitamins before the flu (or the vaccine) does even more damage next time. I find it difficult to have to "apologize" for it, but, I do. :)

Specializes in critical care.
Ok, I did go to your link there, and it said a few times "Page not found". However, here's one that may give info too:

Vitamin C | University of Michigan Health System

Lots of studies that seem to confirm what I know there actually.

AN included the punctuation. Try this -

https://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/condition/asthma

Truth is not discovered by believing stuff to be true, then finding stuff to back that belief up. What's ironic is I think that you believe the scientific method works that way. It is clearly evident that your review of research works that way.

Truth is discovered by asking a question. After asking that question, you find the answer by looking at all points of view and research. You carefully disseminate the research. You consider its flaws. You determine its validity based on its flaws. Some research can have flaws and still be valid. There will be times when you don't like the answers you find. That makes them no less true. This is the heart of science.

Incidentally, I used to be anti-vaccination. I opened my mind to the research. I opened my mind to the impact on my community I could make by not vaccinating. I also used to shovel a whole bunch of vitamins and my mouth. I got the most expensive most organic ones too. Then I realize that people actually get most of what they need from food. Actually, they get all they need from food. There are certain people, however, who don't get what they need from food. Those who are found to be deficient are the ones that I would recommend supplementation to. I believe the vitamin industry has told the greatest lies of all time in terms of health maintenance. And of course we've all fallen for it. Boy was I the most compliant kid on the planet with my Flintstone vitamins. Grandma made sure of it.

AN included the punctuation. Try this -

https://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/condition/asthma

Truth is not discovered by believing stuff to be true, then finding stuff to back that belief up. What's ironic is I think that you believe the scientific method works that way. It is clearly evident that your review of research works that way.

Truth is discovered by asking a question. After asking that question, you find the answer by looking at all points of view and research. You carefully disseminate the research. You consider its flaws. You determine its validity based on its flaws. Some research can have flaws and still be valid. There will be times when you don't like the answers you find. That makes them no less true. This is the heart of science.

Incidentally, I used to be anti-vaccination. I opened my mind to the research. I opened my mind to the impact on my community I could make by not vaccinating. I also used to shovel a whole bunch of vitamins and my mouth. I got the most expensive most organic ones too. Then I realize that people actually get most of what they need from food. Actually, they get all they need from food. There are certain people, however, who don't get what they need from food. Those who are found to be deficient are the ones that I would recommend supplementation to. I believe the vitamin industry has told the greatest lies of all time in terms of health maintenance. And of course we've all fallen for it. Boy was I the most compliant kid on the planet with my Flintstone vitamins. Grandma made sure of it.

Well, there's reasons I am "anti-vax". What were yours? There's reasons I like vitamins, because they work for me. I don't take them because someone told me to. I only tried them on a whim, and they worked, very obviously. Having outward health signs like asthma, colds, respiratory, I could see the effect for myself. My son actually found the effect after years of allergies. He didn't know what "breathing normal" was. He was always clogged up and sneezing. I would mention taking vitamin C once in a while, but he didn't listen, until, one day, he did. He began taking it and some other vitamins daily, and within a few months his allergies stopped. So,it's not "just me" there either. His headaches that he had regularly stopped as well, but, I have to add, we also went wholefood organic as well. It seems the combination are a one-two punch on respiratory problems and allergies, at least from what I've seen. As I said, it's truly ironic to get the one flu vaccine in years, to only have the flu, flu like, whatever laid out afterwards, and not since. I am not convinced of the flu vaccine at all, but, I am becoming more aware of the harm it actually may be doing. Just curious, did you go to the link I gave also?...

Vitamin C | University of Michigan Health System

ok, and on your link there it says:

Vitamin C (1 g per day). One preliminary study suggested that children with asthma had significantly less wheezing when they ate a diet rich in fruits with vitamin C. Vitamin C does have anti-inflammatory and antioxidant properties, which may help you maintain good health. Some studies suggest that taking a vitamin C supplement (1 g per day) may help keep airways open, but other studies show no benefit.

"some studies suggest taking a C (1g per day) may help keep airways opne, but other studies show no benefit"....

:) yea, that the confusing, confounding things about "science" and "studies" isn't it. I found they do work very nicely.

Specializes in critical care.
Re: Please forgive the rude, straightforwardness of this question, but why are you here on allnurses? I ask because based on your above statement, you clearly think nurses are idiots and our approach to evidence based practice is unfounded. You aren't a nurse or in the medical field in any way. You seem to be on a mission to break us nurses of our conspiracy-laden chains, which, as you've seen, will not ever happen because we know how actual research and the immune system REALLY works. So, why are you here? Are you legitimately trolling us? Because it would be good to know so I can stop wasting time on this.

Of course you're not idiots. You're educated and informed, but, it does matter what one is educated and informed of. I came here from a google search, and I do see it's for nurses only. Just had to include my experience with flu, respiratory problems, and vaccines as the subject that's all. I understand I'm not part of the "club". Still, felt compelled to tell that poor soul about vitamins before the flu (or the vaccine) does even more damage next time. I find it difficult to have to "apologize" for it, but, I do. :)

No one, least of all me, is saying you need to apologize. I'm saying the advice you give is dangerous and based on very flawed information. I'm asking why you are here because I'm beyond confused why you would be so incredibly adamant with medical professionals that range from associate's degree preparation all the way through doctoral. I'm not saying a person with a non-scientific degree can't understand all of this. I'm saying you, personally, do not. This website has all types of people, including non-nurses. But I can't recall any of them so blatantly negating absolutely every single person with completely inaccurate information so stubbornly.

Hi Ixchel,

You wrote:

Quote from concerned lady

Just met another (there are many) patient who got Guillain Barre Syndrome (severe peripheral neuropathy) shortly after getting a flu shot. None of the patient's doctors ever recommended oral Vitamin B complex, plus extra sublingual (under the tongue, to promote absorption into bloodstream, bypassing any digestive issues) Vitamin B-12 (MethylCobalAmin type), to help patient's injured peripheral nerves heal their damaged myelin sheaths.

(Patients' docs also never told pt. about how flu shots can cause Guillain Barre Syndrome).

Paragraph 1 - do you have any idea how fast GBS hits a person, from first foot tingle to lung paralysis? I'm pretty sure they are too busy stabilizing the person on sedation and vents to worry about vit B and B-12. Supplements can be discussed outpatient.

reply to you: OF COURSE, YOU ARE RIGHT--SORRY I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT THE PATIENT TOLD ME TODAY, ABOUT GETTING THE GUILLAIN BARRE SYNDROME LAST YEAR, SHORTLY AFTER GETTING A FLU SHOT.

NOW, THIS YEAR, this same patient is having problems related to the Guillain Barre Syndrome, and was never told by patient's doctors, to take oral Vitamin B complex, along with additional sublingual Vitamin B 12 (MethylCobalAmin form), to help patient's peripheral nerves to heal the damaged myelin sheaths!

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Paragraph 2 - docs don't tell patients they can get GBS from the flu vaccine because it is more likely a person will get GBS from the flu than from the vaccine. (Guillain-Barr)

I LOOKED AT YOUR LINK, but so far, I'm not convinced that a person is more likely to get Guillain Barre Syndrome from the flu compared with from flu vaccine (shots). Where's the evidence?

As an addendum, how many docs or nurses, ever warn patients that getting antibiotics can result in getting Clostridium difficile??? I've never seen ONE doc warn ONE patient of this. Have you?

Specializes in critical care.
Well, there's reasons I am "anti-vax". What were yours? There's reasons I like vitamins, because they work for me. I don't take them because someone told me to. I only tried them on a whim, and they worked, very obviously. Having outward health signs like asthma, colds, respiratory, I could see the effect for myself. My son actually found the effect after years of allergies. He didn't know what "breathing normal" was. He was always clogged up and sneezing. I would mention taking vitamin C once in a while, but he didn't listen, until, one day, he did. He began taking it and some other vitamins daily, and within a few months his allergies stopped. So,it's not "just me" there either. His headaches that he had regularly stopped as well, but, I have to add, we also went wholefood organic as well. It seems the combination are a one-two punch on respiratory problems and allergies, at least from what I've seen. As I said, it's truly ironic to get the one flu vaccine in years, to only have the flu, flu like, whatever laid out afterwards, and not since. I am not convinced of the flu vaccine at all, but, I am becoming more aware of the harm it actually may be doing. Just curious, did you go to the link I gave also?...

Vitamin C | University of Michigan Health System

I did get the link. I really have nothing to say about it. I understand how it works and I know research conflicts a lot.

What harm is the vaccine causing?

I was anti-vax because I was sheeple. Honest to god. I believed the GBS hooplah, I believed the "you get the flu from the vaccine", it lowers your immune system!!!!!!, and the "omg the MERCURY!!!!!" propaganda.

Well, you're more likely to get GBS after the actual flu. The vaccine has "dead" virus (viruses are simply strands of DNA or RNA, so it's status as "living" in the first place is complicated), so literally it can't give you the flu. It actually does not lower your immune system. And if the vaccine's mercury bothers you, get a single dose vial. Most places have them that way anyway.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
Hi Ixchel,

You wrote:

Quote from concerned lady

Just met another (there are many) patient who got Guillain Barre Syndrome (severe peripheral neuropathy) shortly after getting a flu shot. None of the patient's doctors ever recommended oral Vitamin B complex, plus extra sublingual (under the tongue, to promote absorption into bloodstream, bypassing any digestive issues) Vitamin B-12 (MethylCobalAmin type), to help patient's injured peripheral nerves heal their damaged myelin sheaths.

(Patients' docs also never told pt. about how flu shots can cause Guillain Barre Syndrome).

Paragraph 1 - do you have any idea how fast GBS hits a person, from first foot tingle to lung paralysis? I'm pretty sure they are too busy stabilizing the person on sedation and vents to worry about vit B and B-12. Supplements can be discussed outpatient.

reply to you: OF COURSE, YOU ARE RIGHT--SORRY I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT THE PATIENT TOLD ME TODAY, ABOUT GETTING THE GUILLAIN BARRE SYNDROME LAST YEAR, SHORTLY AFTER GETTING A FLU SHOT.

NOW, THIS YEAR, this same patient is having problems related to the Guillain Barre Syndrome, and was never told by patient's doctors, to take oral Vitamin B complex, along with additional sublingual Vitamin B 12 (MethylCobalAmin form), to help patient's peripheral nerves to heal the damaged myelin sheaths!

-------------------------------------------------

Paragraph 2 - docs don't tell patients they can get GBS from the flu vaccine because it is more likely a person will get GBS from the flu than from the vaccine. (Guillain-Barr)

I LOOKED AT YOUR LINK, but so far, I'm not convinced that a person is more likely to get Guillain Barre Syndrome from the flu compared with from flu vaccine (shots). Where's the evidence?

As an addendum, how many docs or nurses, ever warn patients that getting antibiotics can result in getting Clostridium difficile??? I've never seen ONE doc warn ONE patient of this. Have you?

Guillain-Barr

rare disorder

3000-6000 victims/year irrespective of vaccination status

about two-thirds of people who develop GBS symptoms do so several days or weeks after they have been sick with diarrhea or a respiratory illness

CDiff and antibiotics are quite another topic, aren't they?

Specializes in critical care.
Hi Ixchel,

You wrote:

Quote from concerned lady

Just met another (there are many) patient who got Guillain Barre Syndrome (severe peripheral neuropathy) shortly after getting a flu shot. None of the patient's doctors ever recommended oral Vitamin B complex, plus extra sublingual (under the tongue, to promote absorption into bloodstream, bypassing any digestive issues) Vitamin B-12 (MethylCobalAmin type), to help patient's injured peripheral nerves heal their damaged myelin sheaths.

(Patients' docs also never told pt. about how flu shots can cause Guillain Barre Syndrome).

Paragraph 1 - do you have any idea how fast GBS hits a person, from first foot tingle to lung paralysis? I'm pretty sure they are too busy stabilizing the person on sedation and vents to worry about vit B and B-12. Supplements can be discussed outpatient.

reply to you: OF COURSE, YOU ARE RIGHT--SORRY I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT THE PATIENT TOLD ME TODAY, ABOUT GETTING THE GUILLAIN BARRE SYNDROME LAST YEAR, SHORTLY AFTER GETTING A FLU SHOT.

NOW, THIS YEAR, this same patient is having problems related to the Guillain Barre Syndrome, and was never told by patient's doctors, to take oral Vitamin B complex, along with additional sublingual Vitamin B 12 (MethylCobalAmin form), to help patient's peripheral nerves to heal the damaged myelin sheaths!

-------------------------------------------------

Paragraph 2 - docs don't tell patients they can get GBS from the flu vaccine because it is more likely a person will get GBS from the flu than from the vaccine. (Guillain-Barr)

I LOOKED AT YOUR LINK, but so far, I'm not convinced that a person is more likely to get Guillain Barre Syndrome from the flu compared with from flu vaccine (shots). Where's the evidence?

As an addendum, how many docs or nurses, ever warn patients that getting antibiotics can result in getting Clostridium difficile??? I've never seen ONE doc warn ONE patient of this. Have you?

Actually, the docs I work with mention it all the time when they discuss POC with patients. They discuss testing results, differential diagnoses, and suggested POC, including risks versus benefits. When they mention antibiotics, they ask the patient if they have ever had cdiff, then discuss that the best option (if infection is probably) may be more than one antibiotic and they'll cut it to only one as soon as cultures grow and show which single antibiotic is best.

The link I sent you is from a reliable, reputable source. If you need more research, you are willing to look for yourself, or wait until later when I have more time to dig.

While I don't disagree B complex and B-12 have fantastic benefits, I know nothing about its ability to actually cause myelin to regrow. I will tell you I have done a small amount of myelin health as I have a spinal injury that has resulted in a big chunk of myelin to be simply gone from slightly above my cauda aquina and not once have the several doctors I've seen in the last few years even mentioned it. I'll do reading and get back to you on that.

I do have a question. I know how many places are mandating vaccines for nurses. However, I heard they're not always mandated for doctors..or are they? Just wondering your thoughts on it if they're not.