The Controversy: Mandatory Flu Vaccines

Many hospitals are moving towards creating mandatory influenza vaccination policies as a condition of employment. Such mandates are causing surefire responses on both sides of the fence. What is the push behind the movement, and what is causing the pushback?

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First, let me just go over some of the symptoms of the flu, and then we will get down to business on the controversy surrounding the push to create mandatory flu vaccines for healthcare workers:

  • Sudden onset fever
  • Headache
  • Chills
  • Myalgia
  • Dry cough
  • Sore throat
  • Stuffy nose
  • Loss of appetite
  • Limb or joint pain
  • Difficulty sleeping
  • Diarrhea or upset stomach

I can't think of anyone who wants any of these symptoms, or to come down with the flu, can you?

Influenza vaccination research has clearly documented the benefits of receiving the flu vaccine (Google it - you will find a plethora of information...however, I will list some links at the end of this article for your information). However, even though there is sufficient evidence to prove the benefits of receiving the flu vaccine, vaccination rates among healthcare workers are pitifully low. In 2013, only 55% of nurses in the frontlines were vaccinated.

Organizations such as The Joint Commission, the American Nurses Association, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American Academy of Pediatrics, American College of Physicians, Infectious Diseases Society of America, the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, the Centers for Disease Control, Healthy People 2020, etc., etc., have stated their position on recommending the flu vaccine for healthcare workers in order to decrease the risk of exposure and reduce deaths. Due to this recommendation, many healthcare facilities are now creating mandatory flu vaccine policies as a condition of employment.

Employers who create mandatory policies will have exemptions, of course. Exemptions are made for medical and religious exceptions. For places that do not have a mandatory flu vaccine, they may "strongly recommend" the vaccination and may have a declination form for employees to submit if they refuse the vaccine. Additionally, some employers will enforce refusers to wear a mask during flu season while they are at work in order to protect the patients and the employee.

What is the purpose behind the push toward flu vaccines?

Evidence has shown that there are more than 36,000 deaths in the US each year related to influenza, and more than 200,000 hospitalizations. Influenza is the 6th leading cause of death. Healthcare workers are the leading cause of influenza outbreaks in the healthcare system. up to 50% of people who are infected by the flu virus do not fill ill for several days and can spread the virus to people at risk of complications and death from the flu. Additionally, evidence shows vaccination decreases mortality by 40%, decreases the spread of nosocomial infections by 43%, and decreases absenteeism by 20-30%.

Additionally, there is the ethics to consider. As healthcare workers, we have all taken an oath to "do no harm". As a nurse caring for patients who are not in their most physically healthy state, do we take the vaccination in order to prevent spreading the flu to our vulnerable patients, in order to "do no harm"? We must consider this when we make our decision to take or refuse the vaccination.

What hospitals have created a mandatory flu vaccine policy?

I have the names of a few hospitals, and this is by no means a comprehensive list. This is based on a ListServe survey of hospitals and these are the responses received:

  • Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (Philadelphia, PA) - since 2009
  • Children's Mercy Hospitals and Clinics (Kansas City, MO)
  • Children's Colorado (Aurora, CO)
  • Children's Hospital of the King's Daughters (Norfolk, VA)
  • Children's Medical Center Dallas (Dallas, TX) - since 2012
  • Riley Children's (Indianapolis, IN) - since 2012
  • East Tennessee Children's (Knoxville, TX) - since 2013
  • Boston Children's (Boston, MA)
  • Sharp Mary Birch Hospital for Women and Newborns (San Diego, CA) - since 2013
  • Roger Williams Medical Center (Providence, RI)
  • Brookwood Medical Center (Birmingham, AL)
  • Johns Hopkins (all hospitals/clinics) (Baltimore, MD)
  • Driscoll Children's Hospital (Corpus Christi, TX)
  • Spohn Health System (Corpus Christi / San Antonio, TX)
  • All Connecticut Hospitals

What are some reasons that people refuse the flu vaccine?

Refusal may be largely due to misconceptions related to the vaccine. Fears that the immune system will cause them to get the flu, beliefs that hygiene and better nutrition are more helpful than the vaccine, fear of needles, beliefs that the vaccine does not work, and fear of side effects. Others believe that they have a constitutional right to refuse the vaccine and that mandatory policies are violating these rights.

Common concerns and myths about the flu vaccination

(taken from the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health outline of flu vaccine talking points for managers)

The flu shot will give me the flu

The flu shot does not give people the flu. It uses inactivated ("dead") virus. People may still catch a cold or other virus that the vaccine is not designed match.

I don't believe the flu vaccine actually works

Studies have shown that flu vaccination prevents flu in 70% to 90% of healthy adults younger than 65 years old.

I had the vaccination last year

You need a new vaccine every year - the virus changes over time.

What about possible adverse reactions

Serious adverse reactions are very rare. They are explained on the CDC's Vaccine Information Statement, which is distributed when the vaccine is administered.

Local short-term reactions - such soreness at the vaccination site, slight fever, achy feeling - may occur but usually do not last long. Over the counter medicines are helpful. Even short-term reactions are much less bothersome than catching the flu and feeling very sick for days.

I'm not in a high-risk group

Your patients are at-risk, and possibly some friends and family members. You can be infected with the flu virus but not feel ill - and can still transmit flu to at-risk patients.

The flu vaccine made every year does not match the circulating flu strain

Inactivated influenza vaccine is effective in preventing transmission and reducing complications of the flu. In years when there is a close match between the vaccine and circulating virus strains, the vaccine prevents illness among approximately 70%--90% of healthy adults under 65 years of age. Vaccinating healthy adults also has been proven to lead to decreased work absenteeism and use of health-care resources, including use of antibiotics. Strong protection is also expected when the vaccine is not a close match with circulating strains, with 50%--77% effectiveness in these instances. In addition, effectiveness against influenza-related hospitalization for healthy adults from inactivated vaccine is estimated at 90%.

Knowledge is Power

All healthcare facilities will be facing the choice of creating a mandatory influenza vaccination in the near future, if they have not already. In order to make an informed decision on the topic, we must have information. Knowledge is power. Before you make a blanket statement on pros or cons, have the information you need, know the research, and make an educated decision.

Please respond to this article by answering the following questions:

  1. Do you take the flu vaccine yearly? If you do not, what is the reason you do not participate (if you don't mind answering this question)?
  2. Does your employer have a mandatory influenza vaccination policy as a condition of employment? If yes, where do you work?
  3. What concerns do you have about the flu vaccine?
  4. Do you know if anyone who has been released from their job because they did not get the flu vaccine?

References

American Association of Family Practitioners. (2011). AAFP supports mandatory flu vaccinations for healthcare personnel. Retrieved from: AAFP Supports Mandatory Flu Vaccinations for Health Care Personnel

ATrain. (2014). To accept or refuse the flu vaccine. Retrieved from: ZZZ_133_Influenza: Module 7

CDC. (2014). Vaccination: Who should do it, who should not and who should take precautions. Retrieved from: Vaccination: Who Should Do It, Who Should Not and Who Should Take Precautions | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC

Influenza Action Coalition. (2015). Influenza vaccination honor roll. Retrieved from: Honor Roll: Mandatory Influenza Vaccination Policies for Healthcare Personnel

Los Angeles County Department of Public Health. (2014). Talking points for managers. Retrieved from: http://tinyurl.com/p6nbg2u

National adult and influenza immunization summit. (2015). Vaccinating healthcare personnel. Retrieved from: Vaccinating Healthcare Personnel - National Adult and Influenza Immunization Summit

NursingTimes. (2014). Why do health workers decline flu vaccination? Retrieved from: http://www.nursingtimes.net/Journals/2014/11/28/y/k/x/031214-Why-do-health-workers-decline-flu-vaccination.pdf

TJC. (2012). R3 Report: Requirement, rationale, reference. Retrieved from: http://www.jointcommission.org/assets/1/18/R3_Report_Issue_3_5_18_12_final.pdf

Specializes in Complex pedi to LTC/SA & now a manager.
People, including infants and children, who are immune-compromised

(like, having cancer, being on chemo or radiation, being gluten-sensitive,

being on steroids, etc.) are MORE likely to catch the flu from those who

were vaccinated, due to "shedding" of portions of the vaccine onto the

immune-compromised folks.

Therefore, those who get vaccinated, should do the responsible thing, and voluntarily SELF QUARANTINE themselves, until after "shedding" stops being a possibility.

Sincerely, Carol Sidofsky, retired RN

(Concerned Lady)

To see my website, click on my name above, and then click on the small "house" icon.

That makes no sense unless received the nasal spray which is a live vaccine and instructions state to not go around those immune compromised. Nice advertisement though.

You're probably going to think that I'm an elitist snob but I can't take reports about infectious diseases posted right next to articles titled "15 Celebs Who Are Anti-Gay And Proud Of It" and "Unrecognizable! Cute Child Star to Ugly Adult" seriously. This is from the last link that you provided (yournewswire) and they quote Globalresearch. Globalresearch is known to be anti-vaccinations with obvious conspiracist bias/tendencies. Seriously, they're asking if it's actually the pertussis vaccine that causes pertussis :facepalm:

The two first reports that you linked are in my opinion a bit better but there are simply too many relevant facts missing. It's impossible to draw any scientific conclusions based on those reports.

There's no mention of what the vaccine coverage was in any of the reports, meaning they don't mention the percentages of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. They don't mention in detail how the pertussis cases are distributed across the various age groups. (The second one does mention that the majority of cases were older children). They don't mention how many of the cases required hospitalization and the difference between the vaccinated/unvaccinated. Difference in severity of symptoms?

The fact of waning immunity has been discussed regarding the pertussis vaccine and if perhaps the transition from whole cell vaccine to acellular vaccine in the late nineties might affect those who are in their late teens today.

My Master's degree is in anesthesiology so infectious diseases is not at all my specialty but I could honestly not find evidence that supports the claim you make that vaccinated individuals are more likely to contract pertussis, much less spread it (who the individual's caught it from wasn't even discussed in any of the links you provided).

You might find the following article of interest.

Pertussis Vaccine Performance in an Epidemic Year—Oregon, 2012

To answer the OP's question. Yes I do take the influenza vaccine each year.

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
First off, this is a discussion about the influenza vaccine. Do you have any particular thoughts/evidence about the influenza vaccine, or is it just bad because all vaccines are bad?

How many people do you know that get the influenza vaccine? "Everyone got the flu" from the flu shot? The inactivated flu shot? That is a miracle of science, should be published!

How exactly do you know that the seizures and autism came from the vaccines?

Dr. Thompson and Dr. Hooker have been thoroughly discredited.

Do you have and scientific references? Or just blogs?

Someone who claims to have gotten the flu from the attenuated virus is like someone who claims to have been shot from a gun with no bullets.

Specializes in Peds/Neo CCT,Flight, ER, Hem/Onc.
People, including infants and children, who are immune-compromised

(like, having cancer, being on chemo or radiation, being gluten-sensitive,

being on steroids, etc.) are MORE likely to catch the flu from those who

were vaccinated, due to "shedding" of portions of the vaccine onto the

immune-compromised folks.

Therefore, those who get vaccinated, should do the responsible thing, and voluntarily SELF QUARANTINE themselves, until after "shedding" stops being a possibility.

Sincerely, Carol Sidofsky, retired RN

(Concerned Lady)

To see my website, click on my name above, and then click on the small "house" icon.

I cannot believe you posted this nonsense and actually put your real name to it.

You're probably going to think that I'm an elitist snob but I can't take reports about infectious diseases posted right next to articles titled "15 Celebs Who Are Anti-Gay And Proud Of It" and "Unrecognizable! Cute Child Star to Ugly Adult" seriously. This is from the last link that you provided (yournewswire) and they quote Globalresearch. Globalresearch is known to be anti-vaccinations with obvious conspiracist bias/tendencies. Seriously, they're asking if it's actually the pertussis vaccine that causes pertussis :facepalm:

The two first reports that you linked are in my opinion a bit better but there are simply too many relevant facts missing. It's impossible to draw any scientific conclusions based on those reports.

There's no mention of what the vaccine coverage was in any of the reports, meaning they don't mention the percentages of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. They don't mention in detail how the pertussis cases are distributed across the various age groups. (The second one does mention that the majority of cases were older children). They don't mention how many of the cases required hospitalization and the difference between the vaccinated/unvaccinated. Difference in severity of symptoms?

The fact of waning immunity has been discussed regarding the pertussis vaccine and if perhaps the transition from whole cell vaccine to acellular vaccine in the late nineties might affect those who are in their late teens today.

My Master's degree is in anesthesiology so infectious diseases is not at all my specialty but I could honestly not find evidence that supports the claim you make that vaccinated individuals are more likely to contract pertussis, much less spread it (who the individual's caught it from wasn't even discussed in any of the links you provided).

You might find the following article of interest.

Pertussis Vaccine Performance in an Epidemic Year—Oregon, 2012

To answer the OP's question. Yes I do take the influenza vaccine each year.

Ok, went to your link. What I find interesting is, when I grew up pertussis was rare in teenagers, and no one was vaccinated...so, the fact that it's still around at that age, and among the vaccinated to me says it's not really helping much. 5 pertussis shots alone to be "fully protected", and, that's not enough. I think it's scary actually, with the only idea to add more.

If I didn't know there were alternatives I wouldn't have much to say, but, vitamins (especially C since I've used it to fight off colds, flu and asthma for years) is my experience, and I like mentioning. It's been used for pertussis, pneumonia and polio intravenously, and very successfully, even in extreme cases. Not too long ago it was used for a dying man of influenza, Allan Smith in Australia, who is now alive and well. I know the usual "anecdotes don't count", but, perhaps if I say it enough times, someone will try it and see for themselves. :)

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.

This thread is going to chum the water for every crackpot, junk science adherent to come spout their rhetoric.

Specializes in ER, Med/Surg.

Something I hear all the time, is how the vaccine might not prevent the flu, but will make it a lesser illness. Is this true?

Ooh, I'm jealous! Would have found that lecture fascinating. On a light note, I wonder if the parents who witnessed their child having a seizure prior to injection drew the conclusion that the mere PRESENCE of a vaccination in the vicinity of an innocent child is so toxic as to create a seizure-prone environment? MAN those vaccines are powerful stuff..... ;)

Disclaimer: That was a joke.

I think the course will be available again. I'll let you know.

I get my memes from a group called Refutations to Anti-vaccine Memes on FB. Lots of good links to research too.

https://www.facebook.com/RtAVM

Okay, so I'm way too lazy to go back and try to find the vitamin posts in this thread. But here is a partial list of diseases cured with vitamins/minerals:

Scurvy

Rickets

anemia

Beriberi

Pellagra

etc....

Could flu one day be on this list?

To say that vitamin therapy will never work is to show that you are a true product of BigPharma sponsored education.

All of the diseases you list except anemia are vitamin deficiency diseases. (And some anemia can be caused by vitamin deficiencies.) Uh, yeah, they are "cured" by vitamins. :sarcastic: That's v. different from vitamins "curing" any other kind of disease.

Consequences? Are we going to have mandatory treatment for disease now. What if we find you have a STD or Hep C, can we force you to be treated? If not can we isolate you from society so you will not pass it on to someone else?

Are you sure you're really an RN? Uh, yeah, we do have mandatory treatment for some diseases now. Every state has a list of "reportable diseases," diseases that are felt to represent a significant threat to the public health, that must be reported to the public health department by whatever healthcare provider becomes aware of the illness, and people with "reportable diseases" can legally be forced into treatment and/or quarantined. Did you not know this?

Specializes in Long Term Acute Care, TCU.
Someone who claims to have gotten the flu from the attenuated virus is like someone who claims to have been shot from a gun with no bullets.

Here is a link for the attenuated polio vaccine that mutated.

Circulation of Type 1 Vaccine-Derived Poliovirus in the Philippines in 2001

Of course, they no longer use the OPV.

That is beside the point.

Attenuated virus do mutate and even if it is rare, it is indeed possible

Specializes in Long Term Acute Care, TCU.
All of the diseases you list except anemia are vitamin deficiency diseases. (And some anemia can be caused by vitamin deficiencies.) Uh, yeah, they are "cured" by vitamins. :sarcastic: That's v. different from vitamins "curing" any other kind of disease.

:banghead:I feel like I'm arguing against creationism or spontaneous generation. How about a word from real scientists

Aggarwal, B. B., Sundaram, C., Prasad, S., & Kannappan, R. (2010). Tocotrienols, the vitamin E of the 21st century: Its potential against cancer and other chronic diseases. Biochemical Pharmacology, 80(11), 1613-1631. doi:10.1016/j.bcp.2010.07.043