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3 States Won't License Excelsior's ADN Grads

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Feral.Cat.Herder has 22 years experience and specializes in Peds, MS, DIDD, Corrections, HH, LTC.

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On 2/4/2019 at 4:48 PM, moretonel said:

Wow, I don't understand the AL, CA, MD BONs for not granting licensures. Yeah EC has no clinicals, but EC is for working LPNs, LPNs who took clinicals in LPN school, and LPNs working doing nursing skills everyday, some with several years experience. I'm sure EC argued these and other point before the DONs, unsuccessfully unfortunately. The only state that may have had a possible "ah, c'mon man!" reaction from me is MD. I have family in DC-MD-VA area. When the wife and I move, obviously MD is not an option, but DC and VA would allow us to be close to family.

Excelsior may not have clinicals, but there is a 3 day CPNE that has to be passed. In my humble opinion the CPNE is more grueling than clinicals. It's pass or fail and self-taught.

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On 3/27/2019 at 4:39 PM, SURGICALNURSE2NPORMD said:

California board of nursing advised me to obtain your BSN through a school approved by california and you can still obtain your license there(it must have a clinical component).

this is not true. you can't get a cali license no matter where you attended after excelsior. I know from experience. I have tried every option and avenue including sending a letter to the governor. There is no way to get the license unless you go back to school for your RN again.

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SirJohnny has 8 years experience and specializes in LTC & Private Duty Pediatrics.

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There was a nurse, he goes by the name "Nick the Nurse" and used to run a blog.

Anyhow, he received his ASN from Excelsior.  Applied to California.  They turned him down.

He appealed their initial ruling.  They told him to get his BSN.  He went to that online Western Governor's University for his BSN (which he managed to get in a few weeks ... as this school gives credit for "life experiences.").

California accepted his BSN and granted him a license.  This would be around the 2010 timeframe.

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I am wrapping up by PMHNP/DNP at the University of Pittsburgh.  Did my ASN through Excelsior, and BSN through Univ of Pgh.  Am thinking there might be a legal loop hole or legal case to get a California NP license (which I know requires an RN license).

I believe Nick the Nurse, used several legal arguments in presenting his case.  He published his argument, but has since taken it down.  If anyone has a copy, can you please post.

Thanks!!!!

 

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TiffyRN has 26 years experience as a ADN, BSN, PhD and specializes in NICU.

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On 7/2/2019 at 5:51 PM, Lyss1313 said:

this is not true. you can't get a cali license no matter where you attended after excelsior. I know from experience. I have tried every option and avenue including sending a letter to the governor. There is no way to get the license unless you go back to school for your RN again.

There is one more exemption though relevant to few. California did grandfather in EC graduates from prior to 2003 (I believe). Important since my hubby graduated from EC in 2001. But, he only plans to practice as a nurse for a few more years and Cali plans are not in play. I just follow this controversy since I have this association with EC. Also, I did get my BSN from them though I have my ADN from a traditional community college. 

I used to be much more up to speed on the reasons CA did this, and it definitely seems all political (strength of the private for-profit ADN school lobby in CA). CA allows LVNs from their state to challenge the RN exam if they complete some of the general education components and have clinical experience (as an LPN obviously). That seems very comparable to what EC does except EC actually requires their students to demonstrate RN level skills in the CPNE. One limitation of CA's 30-unit option is that those nurses' RN license is not transferable outside CA. 

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Pixie.RN has 18 years experience as a MSN, RN, EMT-P and specializes in EMS, ED, Trauma, CNE, CEN, CPEN, TCRN.

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10 minutes ago, TiffyRN said:

There is one more exemption though relevant to few. California did grandfather in EC graduates from prior to 2003 (I believe).

You had to have maintained continuous enrollment from before December 2003, so because EC allows 7 years for its program, anyone grandfathered under that would have graduated by the end of 2010. 

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On 8/7/2019 at 10:44 AM, NurseChristy said:

I am in Ca but plan to move so I was looking at EC and also Achieve which is credit by testing out. 

Anyone had any luck with these? 

Achieve Test Prep and The College Network are TEST PREP PROVIDERS (NOT A COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY) and PUBLISHING COMPANIES, selling test preparation guides and materials for CLEP, DSST, and UExcel exams. You STILL have to be accepted and enrolled in a school that ACCEPTS transfer credits from these exams. You STILL have to be accepted and enrolled in an Associate's or Bachelor's degree nursing program. Achieve Test Prep do have UExcel nursing exams. This is where the scam comes in. ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEED NO NURSING PROGRAM ACCEPTS NURSING CREDITS FROM ANOTHER NURSING PROGRAM, MUCH MUCH LESS WILL A NURSING PROGRAM ACCEPT CREDITS FROM A CREDIT-BY-EXAM TEST.

Achieve Test Prep own website says (under the "What Is Credit-By-Examination" heading - https://www.achievetestprep.com/healthcare-degrees):
"Our Credit-by-Examination Test-Out Program is a test-prep curriculum for college students interested in fast-tracking their general education courses".

Not even EC will accept UExcel nursing credits, though they do accept many of the UExcel general requirements credits. In fact, you can prepare for UExcel exams directly THROUGH Excelsior.

Excelsior College IS a college. The nursing program is nationally accredited, and is recognized by the National League of Nursing as a Center of Excellence. I'm not trying to sell you on EC, but since you were "looking at EC and also Achieve", I'm trying to give an unbiased assessment.

EC does have drawbacks, the biggest being that EC nursing graduates of all levels, and EC nursing graduates who later earn higher degrees from other programs, will not be eligible to hold licenses in California, Maryland, and Georgia, ever. 

I'm just starting the ASN program, taking my last pre-requirement (Microbiology) starting in about 2 weeks, online. No lab component - one of the issues CA, MA, and GA have with issuing RN licenses to EC grads. Since I'm close to 50 years old, and not planning to move to any of those states, it's not an issue with me. You, being from California, it's NOT an option for you either. Western Governor's University (WGU) would  be for you, if trying to the online LPN-to-RN route.

The take-away - Achieve and College Network ARE SCAMS. It's better to get an associate's from a local community college, maybe in Health Careers or Medical Assistant to get your pre-requirements  (Chemistry, Biology, A&P I, A&P II, Microbiology) and most of your general requirements. It will take you 2 years to fulfill your pre-requirements, might as well get a degree with them.

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Taraisms has 17 years experience as a LPN.

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I tried Excelsior for a year. I'm not paying money to teach myself AND have my license not be recognized in some states. Find a school geared toward health sciences. I'm currently enrolled in one in my state and will graduate next May. It will have taken me 2 years and a couple months to do all of my pre-requisites, LPN bridge module, and my final 2 semesters. In that time, I've also taken 3 classes towards my bachelor's degree. I waited for so many years to go back because I told nearly I couldn't work and go to a campus for school. It can be done, especially if you want to be able to travel without worrying if your license will be accepted.

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