SICK of BSN Pedestal

[DUDERNGUY]

Get off the Pedestal with the whole BSN vs ADN thing. A fact this is overlooked is that ADN does the same job as BSN and passes the NCLEX. Everyone then cried ADN is uneducated blah blah. WHY dont we look at the 4 year universities instead? Why doesnt the BSN itself advance? Because taking an extra gym glass doesnt deserve it. Look at all the worthless pre reqs that you BSN's are taking over the ADN. It isnt making you a better nurse its all about the money the school systems are a business. We need to change the education system. SWAP out that spanish you are going to forget the second after the test and take some critical thinking. Be gone with that Open elective to take baking class and replace it with PSYCH. The problem is the ADN is a efficient degree with time/pre-reqs and the BSN is created to give the "big man" money. Sorry if you wasted 100k in debt.

why are hospitals going magnet? because the universities are lobbiest to the hospitals. Universites need there money and they dont like ADNs getting the jobs BSNs are getting for a fraction of the cost. Universities have paid, persuaded, and convinced hospitals to go magnet and it is not because 4 year nurses are better.

IF universities ever decide to stop the worthless pre reqs and uni requirements then maybe one day a BSN nurse would have a true advantage.

[Susie2310]

Hmm - so are you going to ignore the increasing amount of research that links > BSN% staff with better patient outcomes? (American Association of Colleges of Nursing | Creating a More Highly Qualified Nursing Workforce) I realize that this is an emotional issue for some, but critical thinking should not stop at the bedside.

MunroRN posted "BSN As Entry In To Practice: Why We Decided Against It" in this forum recently. He/she relates a review of the evidence and conclusions drawn in regard to one particular often quoted study.

[citylights89, BSN, RN]

This post is embarrassing to all nurses.

[mombabyRN96]

AND....I work in L.A. where Spanish is REQUIRED or PREFERRED for almost ALL nursing jobs!

I find this disturbing since I live in America where the language spoken is English.

[rn_abbey]

Universites need there money and they dont like ADNs getting the jobs BSNs are getting for a fraction of the cost. Universities have paid, persuaded, and convinced hospitals to go magnet and it is not because 4 year nurses are better.

IF universities ever decide to stop the worthless pre reqs and uni requirements then maybe one day a BSN nurse would have a true advantage.

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There is a true advantage is being able to articulate one's thoughts. I don't be to come across as combative, but your post is rife with spelling and gramatical errors--- the very kind of thing, perhaps, that would be corrected by a worthless 'pre-req.' Is writing eloquently going to help you be a better nurse? Maybe not obviously, but it is the kind of thing that leads to management positions, ect.

[rn_abbey]

I find this disturbing since I live in America where the language spoken is English.

. There is no official language in the United States.

[trueblue2000]

Here we go again... Is this possibly the most discussed topic on allnurses? Yes. Does anyone on either side of the issue ever changes their mind about the subject by reading other users posts here? No. Should we agree to atop spamming this board with this go nowhere discussion? I think so.

[Vishwamitr]

DUDERNGUY,

Currently, I am attending RN-BSN program and I fully endorse your view. I told one of the professors that why doesn't the school tell me how mucy money they'll make off me while I take all these irrelevant classes and I'll pre-pay in full. She penalized me with a grade of her choice.

[RNsRWe, ASN, RN]

Who really wants an educated nurse? Not me, baby.....I want the most ignorant fool the hospital can manage to hire to take care of my loved ones. I don't care if the moron has an ADN or BSN, the most important thing is that they spout useless rants full of erroneous information.

Wonder if I just found my dream nurse!

[hiddencatRN, BSN, RN]

I find this disturbing since I live in America where the language spoken is English.

There are 45 million Spanish speakers in the US. It's the second most common language spoken. Due to how widespread it is, and our history of aquiring Spanish-speaking territories to expand to our current size, it's more appropriate to consider Spanish a minority national language than a foreign language.

To the OP, I got a BSN because it was going to take me less time as a second degree student and also because my area has a strong BSN hiring preference for new grads and I planned accordingly. I knew the trade off was larger debt in exhange for better employment prospects, and I take responsibility for my decisions and therefore manage not to feel either victimized or bitter about the trend.

On a side note, my first degree was in English literature, and yes, I think those classes and that degree DO enhance my critical thinking skills. And they certainly have helped me develop strong communication skills. This streak of anti-intellectualism within nursing is troubling to me. It's disappointing to see so many nurses unable to find value in exposure to a liberal arts curriculum.

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

Get off the Pedestal with the whole BSN vs ADN thing. A fact this is overlooked is that ADN does the same job as BSN and passes the NCLEX. Everyone then cried ADN is uneducated blah blah. WHY dont we look at the 4 year universities instead? Why doesnt the BSN itself advance? Because taking an extra gym glass doesnt deserve it. Look at all the worthless pre reqs that you BSN's are taking over the ADN. It isnt making you a better nurse its all about the money the school systems are a business. We need to change the education system. SWAP out that spanish you are going to forget the second after the test and take some critical thinking. Be gone with that Open elective to take baking class and replace it with PSYCH. The problem is the ADN is a efficient degree with time/pre-reqs and the BSN is created to give the "big man" money. Sorry if you wasted 100k in debt.

why are hospitals going magnet? because the universities are lobbiest to the hospitals. Universites need there money and they dont like ADNs getting the jobs BSNs are getting for a fraction of the cost. Universities have paid, persuaded, and convinced hospitals to go magnet and it is not because 4 year nurses are better.

IF universities ever decide to stop the worthless pre reqs and uni requirements then maybe one day a BSN nurse would have a true advantage.

"Hospitals need there money" (sic) says it all. Take a deep breath, let it out slowly and go out and get a life so you have something better to do than leave illiterate rants here. Enjoy your day.

[Wrench Party]

Oh, for the love of my mother, quit trolling. I'm getting my BSN in

to go the 2 year route. All except one had previous Bachelor's degrees. One decided to go the ADN route because she's

older and has no interest in management, having been a corporate manager previously. Another is working on her BSN bridge right now. Everyone's situation is different, and all of us are walking out of school with little or no debt.

[cindjo717]

I kind of get the impression that DUDERNGUY was knocking the BSN program - opposed to knocking the nurses that actually graduated from it. It comes across to me that what's been said is that there needs to be an improvement in the program - that perhaps there is profit being made regarding the fee for the degree, and that it could stand an improvement. I do think that Spanish as a second language is a great thing to learn, and agree that it is a very common language spoken in our country. I wish I would have paid more attention in high school. :/ I just graduated from an LPN program - the ten month program, and am waiting to here if I passed the boards.. took it yesterday. I commend everyone here who have taken their education seriously and who have achieved their goals! I wish I was younger - I am 50 years old!