Job market- ADN students being warned?

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Specializes in FNP, ONP.
Elderly patients are going to be allotted fewer medical procedures and hospitalizations under obamacare/Medicare. I suspect demand for "floor nurses" will decrease and most of the demand will be with home health type positions in the near future.

They are? Such as? Details please, with references.

I got my ADN license Dec 2013 in SC and was offered a job in NC, but I wanted to mover to the west coast (NVAZ/CA). I thought that it would be easy to find a job out here but now I can't even get a hospital to look at my resume. Every hospital in the NV area is not excepting any new grads. must have 6mo + experience. Good luck with everything

Nurse_

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Specializes in Trauma | Surgical ICU.
ProfRN- how do you accurately know how many students got jobs? That is interesting - I didn't know that about accreditation.

Actually, even private universities are obliged to report their students employment rate. If the Private university falls behind a certain percentage in 3 consecutive years, federal funding (Stafford loans, etc.) are withdrawn.

This was placed when For-Profit Universities (such as University of Phoenix, etc.) became popular. However, the original proposed law, that was much stricter, was reduced to almost nothing. This is the reason why universities ask their students to report their jobs as soon as they get it.

As for hospitals preferring BSNs, don't be too sure...

My friend who graduated two years ago with an ADN, didn't have any experience, beat out 60 candidates to be a NICU nurse in a Level 1 Peds Trauma center.

So it's really just luck and determination to keep on going.

HippyDippyLPN

351 Posts

I agree with many points here...that prospective nursing students do need to research the field before paying thousands to become an RN/LPN but at the same time schools do need to stop hawking the nursing shortage bit. I understand they are not going to tell you to your face that the job outlook is grim right now but they also do not need to say your a nurse so a job will be as easy as pie. I have seen a pick up of job openings in my area lately, recently even job openings stating will train new grads.

I atribute this due to the fact that many auto industries shut down around here at the same time. Many of the workers were given generous severence packages that allowed them to return to school. Out of the 50 people that graduated with me from my LPN class in 2008, nearly half of them were from the plant. Now I am not saying ALL but for many of these people, coming from a unionized job and then entering the world of nursing where its almost the exact opposite of a union job was more than they expected. I know around 8 people who graduated with me, worked for some time, and moved onto to a job more similar to their plant experience rather than continue on in nursing...That's the only random thought I can think of as to why jobs are picking up, schools are still churning out new grads faster than ever, and all the main hospitals are magnet so ADN lisitings are far and few between.

PMFB-RN, RN

5,351 Posts

Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
all the main hospitals are magnet so ADN lisitings are far and few between.

*** YOu say that as if Magnet hospitals can't or don't hire ADN grads. They can and do. It may be true that the hospitals in you area that are Magnet certified choose not to hire ADN grads but there is no reason they couldn't hire ADN grads. Magnet don't prohibit a hospital from hiring ADN grads. Its more a case of the same mentaliety that values Magnet would also be biased aginst ADN grads.

HippyDippyLPN

351 Posts

Well isn't true to stay magnet you have to have 80% BSN employed? That's why I say so few jobs for ADN around because if they do make it to a hospital, they don't leave!

PMFB-RN, RN

5,351 Posts

Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
Well isn't true to stay magnet you have to have 80% BSN employed?

Nope, you can put that on the pile of nursing myths like DNP required by 2015 and the others. I just participated on the Magnet comitee during of the hospital's I work for re-certification.

HippyDippyLPN

351 Posts

Huh well I stand corrected then. I have always been told the 80% deal, by other hospital nurses and educators in the field..wonder why there is such misinterpretation of the real facts??

allnurses Guide

BostonFNP, APRN

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Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.
Huh well I stand corrected then. I have always been told the 80% deal by other hospital nurses and educators in the field..wonder why there is such misinterpretation of the real facts??[/quote']

The 80% by 2020 is part of the IOM recommendations.

Music in My Heart

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Specializes in being a Credible Source.
Ever notice when people succeed it is because they worked hard and earned it, but when they fail it is someone else's fault? It is a fascinating cultural phenomenon.
I have noticed this.

It has some tendrils:

1) "I take full responsibility" when there is no actual accountability nor redress

2) The granting of responsibility to subordinates without concomitant authority for execution.

3) The privatization of profit but the socialization of risk.

hope3456, ASN, RN

1,263 Posts

Specializes in LTC, Psych, M/S.

Interesting how some posters are so outspoken how it is not the school's responsibility to warn students about the job market yet many students stated that they were given info regarding it. With there being so much media hype on the "nursing shortage" I just HOPE potential students come across allnurses.com.

DoGoodThenGo

4,129 Posts

Here's the thing: Nursing is becoming just like any college major, that is besides the desire to enter the profession potential nursing students need to do what everyone else should do; research the field in terms of potential employment, growth and where the jobs are likely to be. People also need to examine their own selves to determine if they are suited to where the profession is headed and can they cope with those demands/changes.

Here in NYC the marathon only begins with getting into and graduating from a nursing program. Again as with most other college majors the next leg of that run involves "selling" yourself to potential employers. That means making the case as to why they should hire you over the numerous other applicants with similar or better backgrounds.

The nature of providing healthcare/nursing services is changing. In many areas of the USA this is leading to hospitals closing and or mergers. Each time that happends there are several hundred seasoned nurses of all levels of experience out looking for another gig. In the past several years NYC has lost about ten (give or take) hospitals and now it looks like another (Long Island College) is going. Then there are the rumors about Manhattan Ear, Eye, and Throat Hospital. That isn't even the end of things as it still leaves several hospitals in Brooklyn in various levels of financial straits and sooner or later some are going to close or have to merge.

Against this backdrop local nursing programs continue to churn out grads every six to twelve months. Where all these new nurses are supposed to go is anyone's guess.

Oh and here's another thing: if you look at the most recent Department of Labour employment report there are some telling numbers. While healthcare is still one of the few areas to see continued hiring demand, the numbers of UAPs/techs out numbers professional and vocational nurses. The trend of facilities replacing high cost nurses with aides and techs is not slowing, but actually growing and makes up the bulk of the predicted demand for future healthcare hiring .

Potential ADN students should inquire of any program they are considering about where recent grads have been hired. A general "at many local facilities" shouldn't do because that can mean anything from a clinic to ICU unit. They should also speak with as many working nurses as they can lay hands on to see what local hospitals are hiring. While no one can predict what will happen three or so years out, if you hear that several large healthcare networks have written policies stating they will only hire BSN prepared nurses and so forth, it it well worth rethinking going for an ADN.

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