Pulse Oximetry 'venous pulsations'

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Hello, this is just a follow-up question from my last post - thank you for your help last time!

I witnessed a pulse oximeter SPO2 suddenly nose dive from 93% to 44% and get stuck at that low value. The patient had a few symptoms like feeling slightly dyspenic but nothing major - no early signs of hypoxia otherwise. Nicely warmed hands too. Obviously the symptoms they get may differ from others but still, that difference in sats was astonishing. Couldn't get an answer asking around..'

I couldn't help but wonder if the reader was too tight and causing venous pulsations, so after observing a while - the readings did shoot back up with as deep a breath as was possible - I changed fingers. The reading showed 97% which didn't seem quite right either despite calibration. Each time the reader was attached, it started out tighter fitting, then self-adjusted itself to loosen. In almost every case, numbers were lower when it was tighter (e.g. 79 - 85%) and skyrocketed upon loosening a bit (e.g. 96 - 98%). Pulse readings were accurate throughout.

I'm not sure if this is a silly question, but if the reader is too tight do SPO2 values become falsely low? Likewise do loose oximeters show falsely high sats? I'm still learning; Searching online has some very vague answers :p

Thanks again!

Specializes in ICU, LTACH, Internal Medicine.

Yes, you are right. The device needs good arterial circulation to work properly, and so putting it too tight makes reading unreliable. It should sit just right - not too loose, not too tight, - and it can take some time to adjust it properly andvavoid "sick sensor syndrome". Anything that obstruct microcirculation otherwise (forgotten tourniquet, increasing edema) will produce the same effect.

Feeling pulses has little to nothing in common with it. What we feel as pulse is macrocirculation (big arteries) where pretty much no oxygen exchsnge happens. Pulse oximeter works on the level of microcirculation/atreriolae. If one big artery gets occluded, pulse ox will go down but it will not be only one thing looking obviously wrong. There will be pallor, severe pain, etc. One circumstance where the difference can be employed, though, is patient after vascular surgery on extremity, patient with possible developing hematoma, or patient with high risk of thrombosis (venoys or arterial) in known area of the body. Two sensors are applied simultaneously, one on a "presumably healthy" part of body which serves as control, the second one on extremity which was operated on, over possible hematoma (flat sensors, the control usually goes on forehead) or where the thrombus might be most expected. The steady dropping of the second number signals problem. It is only important to use comparable parts of the body (two LEs, not hand vs leg).

Thank you! That term's actually new to me, but I assume Sick sensor syndrome means falsely diagnostic readings?

Specializes in ICU, LTACH, Internal Medicine.

Where I work (chronic critically sick population) the term was accidentally coined by nurses drawn to desperation by constant ringing caused by different unsignificant factors causing falsely low values. At that time, the rings were to be "addressed" within 30 sec per schmolicy, another schmolicy dictated that pulse oxymeter alarms could not be changed under any circumstances whatsoever, even with severe COPDers who never had it more than 85% to begin with. So when one of the Powers once appeared on the floor and asked what the madness was going on, someone replied like "sick sensor syndrome, sir/ma'am". The phrase stuck immediately. After that aforementioned schmolicies were quietly reworked to more realistic limits. We now use the phrase 7more as differential, aka "is the sensor sick, or the guy is going south?"

Specializes in CICU, Telemetry.

Couple things

1. Yeah, you're right, too tight will affect

2. Make sure you're not taking a BP on the same arm as your pulse ox probe. You'll notice as the BP cuff tightens and occludes peripheral flow, your sat probe will get a crap pleth wave and then your numbers will go down.

It doesn't sound like you're using a reader hooked up to a monitor but IF YOU CAN/ARE, please make note of the pleth wave. If you're using rudimentary equipment on a general floor you don't always have the capability, but one of my peeves is when experienced nurses are convinced a patient is hypoxic when the pleth wave is a straight line, patient is moving around creating artifact, and patient is not displaying any signs of hypoxia.

Ive had pt's with arythmias throw some crazy sp02 readings. When in doubt do an ekg and or get your history. Something about arythmia does this.

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