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After promising that most K-8 students would be in schools in the first 100 days,  apparently Joe is afraid to lead on this and has drastically scaled back that goal.

Instead, we're shooting for about half to go to school at least one day a week,  by the end of April.

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-02-09/bidens-goal-for-school-reopenings-suddenly-became-more-attainable

 

Tweety said:

There's no doubt that for the most part the Biden policies at the border have been ineffective and the border is in one of he worst conditions it's been in for a while.  It started with the caravans headed our way before his inaugaration.  But the idea that they've ignored it and have done nothing falls flat on me.  It might seem that as the campaign began and it became a bigger and bigger issue with his opponents loud bloviating over the issue that he "suddenly decided to make it a crisis" after trying to reassure people it wasn't crisis mode when he assumed the presidency,  falls flat when they've been working on it all along, some of which was meant with resistance.  

But yes, it's the thorn in his side that can be argued he's failed at the border.  But congress is a part of that failure.  I don't think even republicans cared about the border until Trump demonized immigrants with a "they are sending us their worst so we need to build a wall".  Then elevated that rhetoric when he lost the election.  They went from it barely being a blip to their #1 crisis in America.

 I will admit from the border to the Afghanistan mess, inflation some things haven't gone well.  What Presidency isn't a mess?  Trump had covid.  Obama has the Great Recession with the stimulus package and Obamacare, Bush had 9/11 and the start of the Great Recession (remember our stimulus checks?). But "most things haven't gone well" under Biden doesn't sit well with me either. 

 

 

It was more than a "blip" before Trump came along.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/obamas-border-crisis-108540/

I'm not sure what they've been doing and there sure aren't any results of them "working on it".

 

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Beerman said:

It was more than a "blip" before Trump came along.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/obamas-border-crisis-108540/

I'm not sure what they've been doing and there sure aren't any results of them "working on it".

 

 You aren't sure what they've been doing but at the same time you're certain there aren't any results?  

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"Billionaire Bill Ackman, a longtime Democratic Party donor, put a spotlight on a recent video of former President Obama appearing to guide Biden off the stage at a recent campaign donor event.

"Some people are old at 81 and others are sharp, vigorous, and impressive. Compare Warren Buffett at 93 and Biden at 81. Biden is an old 81 who can't find his way off a stage or stay present and focused at a G7 conference. Is that who should be the leader of the free world for the next five years? A president should not have to be led off stage by hand or with an arm wrapped around him. That is the not the image of strength and leadership we need as a country," Ackman posted to X on Sunday.

"Look at what is going on in the world. The perception of weak leadership in the United States has led to global chaos. The reality of weak leadership is a long-term serious and continued threat to our country. The Democratic Party is destroying itself by advancing Biden for a second term," Ackman continued. "This is the Emperor's New Clothes in real life. But it is not a children's book or a joke. The world is at great risk, and a Biden second term is a grave threat to global security and prosperity."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/anti-trump-figures-democrats-questioning-bidens-mental-fitness-office

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Beerman said:

It was more than a "blip" before Trump came along.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/obamas-border-crisis-108540/

I'm not sure what they've been doing and there sure aren't any results of them "working on it".

 

Fair enough maybe "barely a blip" was poor wording.  I'll let it go.  It seems to me that Republicans were for more focused on the economy and stopping the Obama stimulus package and Obamacare.  I really don't remember the rise of the Tea Party having much concern over the border but maybe the did and I wasn't paying attention.  The deficit suddenly became problem #1 for them.  Not so much now.

But yes the border has been a decades old concern.  I've heard "they're letting Mexicans come in and take our jobs" all my life. 

 

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Beerman said:

"Billionaire Bill Ackman, a longtime Democratic Party donor, put a spotlight on a recent video of former President Obama appearing to guide Biden off the stage at a recent campaign donor event.

"Some people are old at 81 and others are sharp, vigorous, and impressive. Compare Warren Buffett at 93 and Biden at 81. Biden is an old 81 who can't find his way off a stage or stay present and focused at a G7 conference. Is that who should be the leader of the free world for the next five years? A president should not have to be led off stage by hand or with an arm wrapped around him. That is the not the image of strength and leadership we need as a country," Ackman posted to X on Sunday.

"Look at what is going on in the world. The perception of weak leadership in the United States has led to global chaos. The reality of weak leadership is a long-term serious and continued threat to our country. The Democratic Party is destroying itself by advancing Biden for a second term," Ackman continued. "This is the Emperor's New Clothes in real life. But it is not a children's book or a joke. The world is at great risk, and a Biden second term is a grave threat to global security and prosperity."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/anti-trump-figures-democrats-questioning-bidens-mental-fitness-office

Same news different day.  But Fox surely has to pound that into people's consciousness as they campaign for Trump.  But it's not just Fox, the news is full of it,  as the campaign debate nears his mental fitness seems to be big news these days.

 

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Tweety said:

Same news different day.  But Fox surely has to pound that into people's consciousness as they campaign for Trump.  But it's not just Fox, the news is full of it,  as the campaign debate nears his mental fitness seems to be big news these days.

 

The mental and emotional fitness of both old men will be on full display for the country to observe and consider.  I can't wait.  

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Hope Biden enjoys Camp David during the next 3 days debate prep and can get decent rest too, maybe some pool time due to HOT east coast weather too.

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NRSKarenRN said:

Hope Biden enjoys Camp David during the next 3 days debate prep and can get decent rest too, maybe some pool time due to HOT east coast weather too.

Straight from his beach house in Delaware to Camp David.  Nicer pool?
 

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toomuchbaloney said:

The mental and emotional fitness of both old men will be on full display for the country to observe and consider.  I can't wait.  

I cringe at the thought of the debate.  Trump will be his usual grade school lying *** self and Biden will throw out gaffes and look like and old fool.  

I was looking at some history of Camp David.  While it is a retreat it's often a place to work and hold meetings, and allow more staff than a private residence..  Jimmy Carter apparently favored closing it to same money but liked it so much after visiting he kept it going.

Apparently Trump visited only 15 times.  Biden has been 34 times.  The leader apparently would be G.W. Bush with 150 visits during two terms.  

Vacations has been a point of contention for Presidents, especially since the internet.

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There are two swimming pools at Camp David. One is a figure-eight shaped pool located at the Aspen Lodge; the other one is a lap pool located on the far side of camp in the staff area near the gym. 

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Donald Trump: In May 2019 Trump was criticized for various expenses; such as, golf trips having cost taxpayers at least $102 million in extra travel and security expenses, trips to Florida having cost $81 million, his trips to New Jersey costing $17 million, his 2018 two days in Scotland costing at least $3 million, and $1 million for a trip to his resort in Los Angeles. During most of his presidency, he used the concept of "working-vacations" to justify most of his trips, especially after making remarks such as "I would not be a president who took vacations. I would not be a president that takes time off." 

President Joe Biden: After 21 months into his term, President Biden is reported to have spent over 25-40 percent of his time away from Washington, being either at his house in Wilmington, Delaware or at his Rehoboth Beach property, totaling all or part of 174 days as of Sunday, October 16, 2022.

 

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Tweety said:

I cringe at the thought of the debate.  Trump will be his usual grade school lying *** self and Biden will throw out gaffes and look like and old fool.  

I was looking at some history of Camp David.  While it is a retreat it's often a place to work and hold meetings, and allow more staff than a private residence..  Jimmy Carter apparently favored closing it to same money but liked it so much after visiting he kept it going.

Apparently Trump visited only 15 times.  Biden has been 34 times.  The leader apparently would be G.W. Bush with 150 visits during two terms.  

Vacations has been a point of contention for Presidents, especially since the internet.

 

I often cringe when listning to Trump. I often feel sad when observing and listning to Biden. 

I'm sure there will be many differing opinions. I hope the moderators don't debate Trump for Biden again. 

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Crusades said:

I often cringe when listning to Trump. I often feel sad when observing and listning to Biden. 

I'm sure there will be many differing opinions. I hope the moderators don't debate Trump for Biden again. 

I'm not in favor of moderators getting into the debate either, but I do wonder what on earth is the best way to handle Trump's blatant dishonesty?

Exaggeration, a little twisting of facts here and there has always been part of the political stream, but the nature of Trump's dishonesty is beyond anything we've seen before

Before anyone says "but Biden..." 

Biden's dishonesty is much less frequent, and  generally inconsequential - embellishments, misstatements, or personal anecdotes and inaccuracies about his personal life and political record. 

Trump's falsehoods are high frequency**  and involve false claims about policy issues (pandemic, election fraud) and about other people when he makes personal attacks. They are highly consequential - his election fraud lies have led to widespread skepticism about the integrity of our electoral system. He lies about other public institutions, including the news media, and when fact-checked, doubles down on his lies and calls it all fake news. He is destroying our country by tearing down our institutional safeguards. 

**Tens of thousands a false and misleading statements throughout his 4 years per Washington Post.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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mtmkjr said:

I'm not in favor of moderators getting into the debate either, but I do wonder what on earth is the best way to handle Trump's blatant dishonesty?

not to mention name calling, interrupting and disregard for moderation.  It probably appears that moderators are favoring the other person in the debate but compare and contrast the two.  Shouldn't the moderator moderate? 

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