Pot, teenagers, and the psych ward

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I spent two years in a psych ward - and not as an inpatient. Due to the ward being in small city in New Zealand, we had it all - mildly unwell, dangerously unwell, old, young, and even some children, although the oldest I ever looked after was 14yrs. We also didn't have very many men working there, and I was one of 3 guys working there. It was because of this reason, they often gave me the teenage males to look after.

Johnno (not his real name) wouldn't speak to me for my first month, because he didn't trust me. He didn't trust anyone, but how can you trust anything when you hear hairy legs patter across the hardwood floor, and see thousands of spiders crawling towards your bed, and then feel them biting you. He was only 16yrs old, and this was his life.

After a year working with Johnno, he trusted me, and talked to me, although 'talking' doesn't really explain it. His bursts of laughter would often be interrupted by bouts of laughter. I used to ask him what he was laughing at, but I was told not to do this, as asking about his hallucinations apparently reinforced his belief in them. Which makes it kinda tricky, because sometimes having a little glimpse of what's going on in his head does give you some idea of how bizarre his world is.

'There's a black demon with red eyes and he says you're a C...' The first time he told me this, I resisted the urge to look over my shoulder, but I couldn't stop the goosebumps or chill down my spine.

Poor Johnno started smoking Pot at the age of 14, and was first admitted to the unit at the age of 15. In 3yrs time, he'd never been free of his hallucinations, and probably never will be. All we'll do is give him more drugs to relax him, so the demons don't bother him so much, and then given more drugs to counter the extra-pyramidal side effects of such strong anti-psychotics.

I looked after a worrying number of teenagers there because of Pot. They say growing minds are vulnerable, and it makes sense. What worries me now is that scientist now say the brain doesn't finish developing until people are 25yrs old.

Yet it's legal for teenagers to smoke pot in some places.

They believe it's harmless.

I regularly talk to the students at my schools, and many do believe it's harmless as well.

What scary is the growing number of adults who believe it's harmless.

Another patient I looked after turned out to be my friend, Pete. I'd known Pete through high school, and he was always the calm guy who didn't drink, so we often used him as our sober driver. It's only now, as an inpatient, I realize we had a stoned driver instead. I realize now why he drove so carefully, so slowly.

I'd lost contact with Pete in the last couple of years, but he'd gotten a job killing chickens, so I'm not surprised he fired up a spliff several times a day with a job like that. He had started to believe the TV and Radio were beaming instructions into his head, and eventually convinced himself he was the Messiah. Fortunately he came right, but he can never smoke again, and will not risk drinking.

It might have helped that he stopped killing chickens for a living.

Anyway, not sure what my point is, just thought I'd share some experiences from the psych ward, but before I go, I can't help leave with one last, controversial statement:

Pot is an insidious, creeping poison that destroys youth, but society chooses to be blind to it, because 'what I do in my own house, doesn't hurt anybody else, so don't tell me what to do.'

where are they being put in jail for years simply for smoking pot?

New York has draconian drug laws.
The real issue...as described by the OP is "killing chickens"

Since my head is spinning on this thread...maybe you can help me. Are we supposed to be For or Against the chicken killings??

Anyone see Gangs of New York? The notorious Irish gang The Dead Rabbits?

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Specializes in LTC/Rehab, Pediatric Home Care.
not what I asked.

I know what you asked me. I really don't know how you can be so ignorant of our marijuana laws. But if you don't believe me, here is a link where you can look up the drug laws in different states.

State Laws

If you take a few moments to peruse the site, you will see that the penalties for possession of marijuana can be quite severe. Remember, if someone offers you weed and you are not in Colorado, Washington, or Alaska (after July 1st in Oregon) Do what Nancy Reagan does and just say no. :no:

Since my head is spinning on this thread...maybe you can help me. Are we supposed to be For or Against the chicken killings??

Oh and I love fried chicken so I am going to be for it, even if I end up in nursingaround's psych ward.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.

The possession of marijuana is illegal per federal law and in 46 states. If you caught with it, you can be put in jail. Also, all males above the age of 18 must register for selective service. We might have not drafted them since Vietnam, but it is always possible it can happen again. In my opinion, if they are old enough to possibly be sent to a war, then they are old enough for the to smoke a joint.

I will agree-if 18 year olds can go off to war, then the use of mind-altering substances-albeit potentially harmful to anyone of any age and brain makeup-should be of ones choice.

However, I think that we have much to research the benefits and side effects of marijuana once it's decriminalized, if ever, before we your the "wonderful" effects; unfortunately, I have seen more harmful effects directed at me from someone who was mentally ill-it certainly did not benefit this person at all, nor calmed him-it made MORE paranoid and violent against ME.

To the point that the OP is attempting to make is still hogwash; marijuana "evil" is a bit of an overstretch, to say the least-there are children that sniff glue, huff paint and chemicals, and find all sorts of things to get high on and may never smoke or drink; there are synthetic drugs and bath "salts" that anyone can get their hands on as well; addictive persons will find ways to get high, even on legal, household items, not just the illegal stuff, or do we need to outlaw Lysol??? :confused:

Specializes in UR/PA, Hematology/Oncology, Med Surg, Psych.
Alcohol is way worse than pot. I'd anecdotally estimate that we see 100 etoh patients to every smoked too much dope patients.

I'll go even further. I have never seen a medical hospitalization with marijuana use as the diagnosis. Meth use, ETOH use, Opiate use; I've seen those hundreds of times.

Specializes in Emergency.
I think the worst damage pot does is make chronic users non-functional in society. This may be based only on the people I've known but I've known a lot of smokers. That cant hold down jobs, have little motivation to be successful, and get paranoid over stupid things. They always have the story to tell about "that one guy" who smokes and has a successful, high paying career. I've never met that guy. The majority of users seem to become very content with having nothing in life. Like it makes their self-made crappy lives tolerable. They give a long passionate speeches on all the reasons the economy is against them and why they cant finish school or get a decent job. They claim pot has nothing to do with it and that it has helped them in all these wonderful ways.

Yes, your opinion is based on the people YOU know. I know a lot of people who continue to smoke recreationally and are extremely successful. It's not just the "one guy".

You seem very comfortable making broad generalizations about pot smokers. Would you paint every who drinks alcohol with the same brush?

Yes, your opinion is based on the people YOU know. I know a lot of people who continue to smoke recreationally and are extremely successful. It's not just the "one guy".

You seem very comfortable making broad generalizations about pot smokers. Would you paint every who drinks alcohol with the same brush?

I clearly stated that my thoughts were based on the people I've known. There is a difference between people who smoke recreationally and those who do it multiple times a day and are always under the influence. I will continue to make generalizations until the number of extremely successful pot smokers comes close to the number of burn outs I know.

Specializes in Critical Care.
where are they being put in jail for years simply for smoking pot?

You can't smoke it without possessing it, are you trying to say that people don't actually go to jail for marijuana possession?

Specializes in Hospice.

@Nurseynursenurse:

I'm usually the first person to validate personal experience as an information source, but I'm also aware that perception can be skewed by all kinds of factors. This is why making broad generalizations just from personal experience is iffy. Most of us don't know what we don't know.

What makes you think that high- functioning pot users would disclose it to you in the first place?

In my opinion, your assertions about chronic pot users can also be made about abusers of any other mood-altering substance or behavior, including legal ones like alcohol, sugar, shopping and sex.

Just sayin'.

Specializes in critical care.
What have you been smoking?

Pot! Good grief, keep up!

Specializes in critical care.
The real issue...as described by the OP is "killing chickens"

I live on the east coast near where some of the country's major chicken farms are located, and I can attest to this travesty. The smell..... The terrible, terrible smell.... I have to put my car on recirculate before going to work. There is one town in particular that is the absolute worst all year long.

Specializes in critical care.
Since my head is spinning on this thread...maybe you can help me. Are we supposed to be For or Against the chicken killings??

Anyone see Gangs of New York? The notorious Irish gang The Dead Rabbits?

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I'm torn on this, really. Per my last comment, the smell of chicken farms is terrible. However, the local economy is supported by it heavily. So, I support a "not in my backyard, but by all means, tax it and regulate it" approach.

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