The use of such rhetoric, opponents of the new laws argue, underscores a nationwide push by conservatives to make education a political wedge issue by equating certain teaching materials and educators with Mediaography and even pedophilia. This latest trend is another volley in the country’s ongoing culture wars, during which conservative lawmakers also have opposed the teaching of “critical race theory” and proposed bills requiring schools to post all course materials online so parents can review them.
I think this is just another example of conservative Americans getting agitated by right wing rhetoric and propaganda.
Here's a video compilation and represention of how emotional and aggressive these agitated people are.
Here is a list of books under fire from conservatives. Does anyone know of any other compilation of those titles?
This article doesn't mention the age group of the students that are exposed to what the parent purports to be "Mediaographic." ...
His daughter was 14 years old when she found a graphic novel in the school library and showed it to her father, Mr. Reiland. Initially school officials were less than receptive, but after showing the book to the assistant superintendent the book was pulled for review.
He attended a school board meeting on 10 October where he, along with others spoke in favor of the board developing aa policy to review “objectionable” books. After the board meeting he engaged one of the members in a verbal altercation, for which he was subsequently banned from all school district property.
The Owasso Public Schools’ Board of Education subsequently amended its book selection and review practices and now require every graphic novel be reviewed by at least 3 faculty members.
Interestingly enough, none of the articles I was able to find mentioned Mr. Reiland being responsible for "getting the school to remove and review a few thousand graphic novels because of sexual images."
Interestingly enough, none of the articles I was able to find mentioned Mr. Reiland being responsible for "getting the school to remove and review a few thousand graphic novels because of sexual images."
You would have had better luck searching for the story in the left-wing sites.
Probably not a coincidence TMB mentioned the story the day after it came out on this one.
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19 minutes ago, chare said:
His daughter was 14 years old when she found a graphic novel in the school library and showed it to her father, Mr. Reiland. Initially school officials were less than receptive, but after showing the book to the assistant superintendent the book was pulled for review.
He attended a school board meeting on 10 October where he, along with others spoke in favor of the board developing aa policy to review “objectionable” books. After the board meeting he engaged one of the members in a verbal altercation, for which he was subsequently banned from all school district property.
The Owasso Public Schools’ Board of Education subsequently amended its book selection and review practices and now require every graphic novel be reviewed by at least 3 faculty members.
Interestingly enough, none of the articles I was able to find mentioned Mr. Reiland being responsible for "getting the school to remove and review a few thousand graphic novels because of sexual images."
But you did some additional reading and got the basic picture, it sounds like. Maybe you don't want to give that parent credit for precipitating a removal and earnest review of the graphic novels, or you disagree that his concern was about the nature of the images in the specific graphic novel. Or do you just want to quibble with the words of my opinion and thinking?
Also, adding to your accurate account ofvthe situatoon, most of the novels have been returned to circulation.
Yes... only the book that the parent was shown by his daughter was removed with any permanence. It's kind of funny how you assume that I visit that website and then feel free to share that assumption as some sort of a commentary on me.
Maybe you also want to disagree with my thinking and comment about what transpired? Do you think that one parent inspired the review of the graphic novels in that school?
But you did some additional reading and got the basic picture, it sounds like. ...
I had already "got the basic picture" I'm a conservative, not a moron. And I've posted many times that I read the links provided in threads that I follow and frequently search for additional information.
ETA: This is why I used to ask for links to many of the statements made here.
37 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
... Maybe you don't want to give that parent credit for precipitating a removal and earnest review of the graphic novels, or you disagree that his concern was about the nature of the images in the specific graphic novel. ...
What is wrong with an "earnest review" of what our children have the potential of being exposed to. And so far as I'm aware it was one book that was removed for review; I was unable to find whether it was returned.
I'm not going to post it here, but did you read the description of the material he objected to? If not, it' the sixth paragraph here.
If my 13 year old granddaughter found this I think I would be upset as well.
37 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
... Or do you just want to quibble with the words of my opinion and thinking?
"Quibble with the words" of your opinion and thoughts? Of course not, we're all entitled to our opinion and free to express them. However, when you wrote "This parent was successful in getting the school to remove and review a few thousand graphic novels because of sexual images" this, at least in my view, reads as a statement of fact. And there are some (many) on both sides of the issue that will take this as a matter of fact.
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43 minutes ago, chare said:
I had already "got the basic picture" I'm a conservative, not a moron. And I've posted many times that I read the links provided in threads that I follow and frequently search for additional information.
ETA: This is why I used to ask for links to many of the statements made here.
What is wrong with an "earnest review" of what our children have the potential of being exposed to. And so far as I'm aware it was one book that was removed for review; I was unable to find whether it was returned.
I'm not going to post it here, but did you read the description of the material he objected to? If not, it' the sixth paragraph here.
If my 13 year old granddaughter found this I think I would be upset as well.
"Quibble with the words" of your opinion and thoughts? Of course not, we're all entitled to our opinion and free to express them. However, when you wrote "This parent was successful in getting the school to remove and review a few thousand graphic novels because of sexual images" this, at least in my view, reads as a statement of fact. And there are some (many) on both sides of the issue that will take this as a matter of fact.
Nothing is wrong with an earnest review. Did you get the impression that I commented on the right or wrong of that?
I believe that the only book that remains out of circulation is the specific book that was brought home and led to the review. I did read the description. Yes, I would likely agree with that review.
So what other facts are you aware of that would dispute crediting that parent with starting that Library review of the graphic novels? Wasn't he the spearhead? Doesn't the reporting support that description?
Unless you can point me to some facts that contradict my understanding that this fellow caused the school to review the books and remove one permanently I just think you are quibbling.
Nothingis wrong with an earnest review. Did youget the impression that I commented on the right or wrong of that?
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No, I didn't. Based on the post I initially quoted you wrote not suggested or voiced as an opinion, that in the 8 days between the school board meeting that Mr. Reiland was successful a "getting the school to remove and review a few thousand graphic novel." Especially considering that this decision seems to have been made in the November board meeting.
46 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
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I believe that the only book that remains out of circulation is the specific book that was brought home and led to the review. I did read the description. Yes, I would likely agree with that review.
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As I wrote, I couldn't find anything regarding whether this book was returned.
Please don't think I support banning or removing books based on the whims of a small group, and would stand with you in opposition. But I don't have problem with an appropriate review of selected material.
46 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
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So what other facts are you aware of that would dispute crediting that parent with starting that Library review of the graphic novels? Wasn't he the spearhead? Doesn't the reporting support that description?
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None. I suppose you might say he was the spearhead as he alone initiallybapproached the assistant superintendent, which initiated the removal and review of the book in question.
46 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
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Unlessyou can point me to some facts that contradict my understanding that this fellow caused the school to review the books and remove one permanently I just think you are quibbling.
However, as the Oklahoma legislature had passed legislation in April requiring "all school library collections be reflective of community standards for the population they serve," this review would ultimately have occurred, with or without Mr. Reiland's intervention.
As far as whether I'm quibbling, you are, of course, free to form whatever opinion you wish.
You recently wrote of your belief that words have meaning and should be used appropriately, which I concur with by the way, and your tendency to call others on their failure to do so. As I tend to view facts in the same fashion, I tend to view statements such as this as somewhat an exageration.
7 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:
This parent was successful in getting the school to remove and review a few thousand graphic novels because of sexual images.
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2 hours ago, chare said:
No, I didn't. Based on the post I initially quoted you wrote not suggested or voiced as an opinion, that in the 8 days between the school board meeting that Mr. Reiland was successful a "getting the school to remove and review a few thousand graphic novel." Especially considering that this decision seems to have been made in the November board meeting.
As I wrote, I couldn't find anything regarding whether this book was returned.
Please don't think I support banning or removing books based on the whims of a small group, and would stand with you in opposition. But I don't have problem with an appropriate review of selected material.
None. I suppose you might say he was the spearhead as he alone initiallybapproached the assistant superintendent, which initiated the removal and review of the book in question.
However, as the Oklahoma legislature had passed legislation in April requiring "all school library collections be reflective of community standards for the population they serve," this review would ultimately have occurred, with or without Mr. Reiland's intervention.
As far as whether I'm quibbling, you are, of course, free to form whatever opinion you wish.
You recently wrote of your belief that words have meaning and should be used appropriately, which I concur with by the way, and your tendency to call others on their failure to do so. As I tend to view facts in the same fashion, I tend to view statements such as this as somewhat an exageration.
You are welcome to point to that as somewhat an exaggeration. The evidence still suggests that the review and removal was directly related to the one man's actions, IMV. You are allowed a different interpretation...should we quibble over interpretation in the absence of directly contradictory reporting or evidence?
Yes... only the book that the parent was shown by his daughter was removed with any permanence. It's kind of funny how you assume that I visit that website and then feel free to share that assumption as some sort of a commentary on me.
Maybe you also want to disagree with my thinking and comment about what transpired? Do you think that one parent inspired the review of the graphic novels in that school?
And this single book might have been removed in the interest of just getting the parent to go away. I find it very difficult to believe any school (except maybe in a prison) would allow sexually graphic novels available in schools, especially to kids in junior high like a 14 year old. But I'm not sure this is even really a story since we don't know what the book was.. I doubt it was a painting of King David watch a naked Batsheva take a bath on a rooftop in Jerusalem:) I get the feeling that this dad would want that removed also. Until I know what these books in question are, I'm very doubtful about what I read since the most important fact of the story is being omitted.
Yes... only the book that the parent was shown by his daughter was removed with any permanence. It's kind of funny how you assume that I visit that website and then feel free to share that assumption as some sort of a commentary on me.
Maybe you also want to disagree with my thinking and comment about what transpired? Do you think that one parent inspired the review of the graphic novels in that school?
Vice published and opinion piece, and you echoed it a day later. Strange coincidence.
I didn't make any commentary on you. That's you projecting. That would also explain why you seem so uncomfortable with us thinking you read Vice.
I actually agree that it was one parent who inspired the review. Is that supposed to concern us somehow?
59 minutes ago, subee said:
And this single book might have been removed in the interest of just getting the parent to go away. I find it very difficult to believe any school (except maybe in a prison) would allow sexually graphic novels available in schools, especially to kids in junior high like a 14 year old. But I'm not sure this is even really a story since we don't know what the book was.. I doubt it was a painting of King David watch a naked Batsheva take a bath on a rooftop in Jerusalem:) I get the feeling that this dad would want that removed also. Until I know what these books in question are, I'm very doubtful about what I read since the most important fact of the story is being omitted.
We do know what the book was. I'll refrain from commenting on your reading ability.
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36 minutes ago, Beerman said:
Vice published and opinion piece, and you echoed it a day later. Strange coincidence.
I didn't make any commentary on you. That's you projecting. That would also explain why you seem so uncomfortable with us thinking you read Vice.
I actually agree that it was one parent who inspired the review. Is that supposed to concern us somehow?
We do know what the book was. I'll refrain from commenting on your reading ability.
I didn't read the VICE article. I didn't cite the VICE article. I expressed an opinion,that you apparently agree with. I'm not uncomfortable with anything except you making the discussion about me and implying that I'm lying about my sources. We could engage in those discussions in private.
No, I don't think it's concerning at all that one person effected change. This turn of events was simply related to the topic of the thread and so I shared and commented upon it.
It's so very kind of you to refrain from making derogatory comments about members in this thread that's not about members.
I didn't read the VICE article. I didn't cite the VICE article. I expressed an opinion,that you apparently agree with. I'm not uncomfortable with anything except you making the discussion about me and implying that I'm lying about my sources. We could engage in those discussions in private.
No, I don't think it's concerning at all that one person effected change. This turn of events was simply related to the topic of the thread and so I shared and commented upon it.
It's so very kind of you to refrain from making derogatory comments about members in this thread that's not about members.
Your original comment was about the guy getting books removed and reviewed. The article you linked to in the same post was about him being banned from the school, and said nothing of the books being removed.
I simply found a article that seemed to be what you were speaking of that happened to be published the day before. Chare found another one. Seeing how uou have yet to share your source for the story, maybe you should have thanked us for helping you inform others.
It's unclear why you seem so agitated at the suggestion that you read a VICE article. It is ironic considering how often you babble on about how my opinions are simply a result of your perception of media sources you believe I use.
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His daughter was 14 years old when she found a graphic novel in the school library and showed it to her father, Mr. Reiland. Initially school officials were less than receptive, but after showing the book to the assistant superintendent the book was pulled for review.
He attended a school board meeting on 10 October where he, along with others spoke in favor of the board developing aa policy to review “objectionable” books. After the board meeting he engaged one of the members in a verbal altercation, for which he was subsequently banned from all school district property.
The Owasso Public Schools’ Board of Education subsequently amended its book selection and review practices and now require every graphic novel be reviewed by at least 3 faculty members.
Interestingly enough, none of the articles I was able to find mentioned Mr. Reiland being responsible for "getting the school to remove and review a few thousand graphic novels because of sexual images."
Owasso parent banned from school grounds after asking for Mediaographic book to be removed
Owasso school board amends book selection policies; district had pulled all graphic novels for review