The use of such rhetoric, opponents of the new laws argue, underscores a nationwide push by conservatives to make education a political wedge issue by equating certain teaching materials and educators with Mediaography and even pedophilia. This latest trend is another volley in the country’s ongoing culture wars, during which conservative lawmakers also have opposed the teaching of “critical race theory” and proposed bills requiring schools to post all course materials online so parents can review them.
I think this is just another example of conservative Americans getting agitated by right wing rhetoric and propaganda.
Here's a video compilation and represention of how emotional and aggressive these agitated people are.
Here is a list of books under fire from conservatives. Does anyone know of any other compilation of those titles?
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12 minutes ago, Weetywill said:
Awwwww thank you! For me?
MAGAphile is a made up fake word so how do you even know what it includes or doesn't?
How can you be self aware and not notice your own words that, strongly suggest at least a distain for Republicans in general. Not just MAGAphiles whatever that is.
You demand facts and logic. We call you on your "MEGAuse" of a made u word not because we are upset by it , but cannot fathom the idea that you cannot see your own conflict with your own ideology. "Facts! Evidence" while simultaneously using a made up word that no one can define. And repetitively.
It sounds just as foolish as if people call Biden supporters, "BIDENators" or "Trump derangement syndrome" or something foolish like that. Then use it and claim it has some sort of factual intent with the break down of the word.or there is an actual psychological affiliation. A word that factually doesn't exist except for maybe 2 years ago.
Yes. I told you I was creating this thread when you initially mentioned the topic in another thread. It's a touchy topic and I didn't want it to fully consume the other thread.
Just because a word was recently coined doesn't mean that it cannot be defined. For example, a selfie stick wasn't a thing when I was young.
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33 minutes ago, Tweety said:
Beerman stated that he was called a MAGA-phile in a derogatory manner. I missed it but he wouldn't make that up.
For some of us even the term "Trump supporter" brings up negative connotations so if I say to someone "As a Trump supporter (MAGA-phile) you....." it's usually not a compliment.
We've all been mistaken in these threads.
It's hard to use a term associated with Trump or his political movement as a compliment, in my view. Trump has been like poison to Republican politics.
Yep...liberals are required to be very specific when speaking about groups within the conservative political spectrum. A growing number of republican voting conservatives don't want to be associated with any of the bad that is attached to Trump. No matter how we word it, someone inevitably goes to the , "but that's not me" or "that's not all Republicans". It just derails conversations to have to re-litigate terminology over and over because a member feels too closely affiliated with Trump's dangerous corruption. People are responsible for their own feelings.
MAGA = Make America Great Again = Trump campaign slogan
-phile = lover of or enthusiast for.
MAGAphile: a made up word that has no definite definition, can be used as derogatory or not and suspiciously sounds like pedoPHILE.
Yes. I told you I was creating this thread when you initially mentioned the topic in another thread. It's a touchy topic and I didn't want it to fully consume the other thread.
Just because a word was recently coined doesn't mean that it cannot be defined. For example, a selfie stick wasn't a thing when I was young.
Right, but selfish stick has an actual definition and isn't created to illicit a negative emotion (maybe, or not).
Of course it’s a made up word - that’s how language works. Google it if you don’t believe me. If not for made-up words, we’d all be communicating in grunts and body language!
If you don’t want to use it, then you do you.
So is "Trump derangement syndrome", a made up affliction, (with an actual definition, or a reasonable concurrent one, none the less fake). Shall we use this as if it has any relevancy?
I'm just pointing out a strict adherence to fact and evidence but perfectly acceptable to use a fake word with no defined meaning, or whether it is derogatory or not.
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15 minutes ago, Weetywill said:
Right, but selfish stick has an actual definition and isn't created to illicit a negative emotion (maybe, or not).
It's only your opinion that the the term MAGAphile was created to illicit a negative emotion. I maintain that it was created to identify those republican voters and activists who fully embrace Trump and his political movement...MAGA. Is that something that you simply cannot accept even though you cannot prove it to be untrue? I've not used it as a pejorative, it's a descriptor...like republican or conservative only identifying a smaller group than either of those.
Surely you can think of some new terminology that was developed specifically to insult people... does TDS come to mind? When folks throw out insults about needing a "safe space" do you suppose that language was coined to be flattering? When Steve Bannon refers to people as "betas" is he changing the meaning of that word to try to insult them?
Have you ever read the book "The Bluest Eye" by Toni Morrison? It was "banned" in an Alaskan community for offensive language and graphic descriptions. Doesn't that seem silly?
It's only your opinion that the the term MAGAphile was created to illicit a negative emotion. I maintain that it was created to identify those republican voters and activists who fully embrace Trump and his political movement...MAGA. Is that something that you simply cannot accept even though you cannot prove it to be untrue? I've not used it as a pejorative, it's a descriptor...like republican or conservative only identifying a smaller group than either of those.
Surely you can think of some new terminology that was developed specifically to insult people... does TDS come to mind? When folks throw out insults about needing a "safe space" do you suppose that language was coined to be flattering? When Steve Bannon refers to people as "betas" is he changing the meaning of that word to try to insult them? YES
Have you ever read the book "The Bluest Eye" by Toni Morrison? It was "banned" in an Alaskan community for offensive language and graphic descriptions. Doesn't that seem silly?
And yet you use it repetitively in a derogatory way, over and over. It would be much more respectful if you just admit it. You don't have to, it's in your own words so carry on. I would be hard pressed to find someone who is honest enough to interpret your words as anything but derogatory at Republicans in general. Prove what? A made up word?
Is is only my opinion that pedophile is derogatory as well? You know, technically it means, 'pedo: child' and 'phile: a denote fondness of things'. So a high fondness of children. I like children, am I a pedophile? Well in the break down of the word yes. Do you think that you could call someone a pedophile who really likes children in a factual way of the breakdown of the word? No. All words and word choices can have connotative meaning.And this one is by design.
It's meant to be derogatory and the simular sound associates it with the discust of pedophile. Play in words, a method commonly used in propaganda. Not only that, it has began to be type with capital letters.
You use a word that is made up and fake and used as propaganda as you complain about propaganda. You cannot even define what it MEGAphile means. It's purpose is to assign something that most people consider discusting and abhorrent like pedophile.The fuction is, 'if you vote Republican than you are either a 'MAGAPhile or voting for the party that the MAGAPhiles vote for. This is a word, or variation of, 'MEGA MAGA Republicans used by the current POTUS, how un- becoming right? Did Biden use it as non derogatory? Right around a key election. You think that was not intentional? Propaganda even?
You also completely forgot to mention that they were not all "conservatives" in that Deerborn video.Heck, where is your evidence that they even were conservatives? Or where is the evidence, in that impossibility long list of "banned books" that they were banned because of conservatives? Or that they were MAGAPhiles?
Safe space? That is a idea and a thing that is used on school campus' for people to go when they hear opinions different than theirs and claim some sort of 'violence'. Yes, when said in the way in which you referenced, it's an insult.
What was "banned" mean? How in Alaska was it banned? In schools, out of public libraries? Amazon removed it from their list?
Here is an example of what I think is inappropriate.
From the book LAW BOY
I edited out the gendered specific words as to not infer anything derogatory towards any gender or sexual orientation. The gender of the characters are irrelevant to me.
Page 44. The descriptions of oral sex between children.
“What if I told you I touched another **’s dick?” I said. … “What if I told you I sucked it?” … “I was ten years old, but it’s true. I put Doug Goble’s dick in my mouth.”
Page 73:
“All I could think about while ** was chatting me up over the rim of *** cappuccino was *** little salamander between my fourth-grade fingers, rapidly engorging with blood.
This is a descriptive depiction of sexual acts between 2 children. Not 2 adults, but children. I wouldn't say this is pedophilia, but it's is a mild pronographic description of sex act between 2 children. I believe the characters are 10 yrs old.
If an adult with a developed mind wishes to read this then so be it. However children ,and I'd say even most high school students should not have access to a book with descriptive sexual acts between children.
Perhaps because the content of this book is about sexual acts between children and an adults memory of sexal acts as a child,with another child, is what some may say is "grooming". Not the content itself but that the content is available to children.
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1 hour ago, Weetywill said:
And yet you use it repetitively in a derogatory way, over and over. It would be much more respectful if you just admit it. You don't have to, it's in your own words so carry on. I would be hard pressed to find someone who is honest enough to interpret your words as anything but derogatory at Republicans in general. Prove what? A made up word?
Is is only my opinion that pedophile is derogatory as well? You know, technically it means, 'pedo: child' and 'phile: a denote fondness of things'. So a high fondness of children. I like children, am I a pedophile? Well in the break down of the word yes. Do you think that you could call someone a pedophile who really likes children in a factual way of the breakdown of the word? No. All words and word choices can have connotative meaning.And this one is by design.
It's meant to be derogatory and the simular sound associates it with the discust of pedophile. Play in words, a method commonly used in propaganda. Not only that, it has began to be type with capital letters.
You use a word that is made up and fake and used as propaganda as you complain about propaganda. You cannot even define what it MEGAphile means. It's purpose is to assign something that most people consider discusting and abhorrent like pedophile.The fuction is, 'if you vote Republican than you are either a 'MAGAPhile or voting for the party that the MAGAPhiles vote for. This is a word, or variation of, 'MEGA MAGA Republicans used by the current POTUS, how un- becoming right? Did Biden use it as non derogatory? Right around a key election. You think that was not intentional? Propaganda even?
You also completely forgot to mention that they were not all "conservatives" in that Deerborn video.Heck, where is your evidence that they even were conservatives? Or where is the evidence, in that impossibility long list of "banned books" that they were banned because of conservatives? Or that they were MAGAPhiles?
Safe space? That is a idea and a thing that is used on school campus' for people to go when they hear opinions different than theirs and claim some sort of 'violence'. Yes, when said in the way in which you referenced, it's an insult.
What was "banned" mean? How in Alaska was it banned? In schools, out of public libraries? Amazon removed it from their list?
You could provide quotations which prove that I've used the term in a derogatory fashion... you know how that works right? You made the claim about derogatory use... you should try to prove that... or you could just keep saying it over and over as if it was true simply because it's your opinion.
The term "pedophile" is a medical term. Do you automatically associate any word containing the suffix -philia with that sexual disorder? That's odd, IMV... there are so many good words with that suffix... maybe you are unaware. There does seem to be a big fixation on pedophilia in some conservatives media. After an Arizona republican testified about election nonsense leading up to Jan 6 events, Trump and his followers labeled him a pedophile... do you remember? And there was that right wing "misunderstanding" about the pizza parlor pedophile ring a few years back, right? Is that just a coincidence or is there something going on in right wing media?
Is it just coincidence that pedophilia is associated with gays and also with another word that shares the suffix? Is it just a scare word for some conservatives? A trigger word?
What do you mean "what does banned mean"? This is the word used in the reporting. The word has a meaning. I don't understand what you don't understand.
Here is an example of what I think is inappropriate.
From the book LAW BOY
I edited out the gendered specific words as to not infer anything derogatory towards any gender or sexual orientation. The gender of the characters are irrelevant to me.
Page 44. The descriptions of oral sex between children.
“What if I told you I touched another **’s dick?” I said. … “What if I told you I sucked it?” … “I was ten years old, but it’s true. I put Doug Goble’s dick in my mouth.”
Page 73:
“All I could think about while ** was chatting me up over the rim of *** cappuccino was *** little salamander between my fourth-grade fingers, rapidly engorging with blood.
This is a descriptive depiction of sexual acts between 2 children. Not 2 adults, but children. I wouldn't say this is pedophilia, but it's is a mild pronographic description of sex act between 2 children. I believe the characters are 10 yrs old.
If an adult with a developed mind wishes to read this then so be it. However children ,and I'd say even most high school students should not have access to a book with descriptive sexual acts between children.
Perhaps because the content of this book is about sexual acts between children and an adults memory of sexal acts as a child,with another child, is what some may say is "grooming". Not the content itself but that the content is available to children.
It's "Lawn Boy" fyi.
The characters is 12 years old and its memoir coming of age novel, not a book about children having sex. When we've had this discussion before another member brought out those quotes. They sounds really Mediaographic and effective when read out of context of the whole novel.
What's interesting is the character describes having sex with a woman in the book in a longer scene than this one, but is that one quoted as being an example of "grooming" and offensive Mediaography. The woman would be committing pedophilia after all.
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40 minutes ago, Weetywill said:
Here is an example of what I think is inappropriate.
From the book LAW BOY
I edited out the gendered specific words as to not infer anything derogatory towards any gender or sexual orientation. The gender of the characters are irrelevant to me.
Page 44. The descriptions of oral sex between children.
“What if I told you I touched another **’s dick?” I said. … “What if I told you I sucked it?” … “I was ten years old, but it’s true. I put Doug Goble’s dick in my mouth.”
Page 73:
“All I could think about while ** was chatting me up over the rim of *** cappuccino was *** little salamander between my fourth-grade fingers, rapidly engorging with blood.
This is a descriptive depiction of sexual acts between 2 children. Not 2 adults, but children. I wouldn't say this is pedophilia, but it's is a mild pronographic description of sex act between 2 children. I believe the characters are 10 yrs old.
If an adult with a developed mind wishes to read this then so be it. However children ,and I'd say even most high school students should not have access to a book with descriptive sexual acts between children.
Perhaps because the content of this book is about sexual acts between children and an adults memory of sexal acts as a child,with another child, is what some may say is "grooming". Not the content itself but that the content is available to children.
Hhhmmm
Those excerpts have been discussed in one of these threads before.
That seems like a standard that is very lopsided. What age group were those books available to?... that makes a difference. Why not flag these books for librarian/parent discussion rather than remove them? Censorship isn't the answer, communication is the answer.
Kids have been reading books that include rape and murder and cheating and lying for generations, are they being "groomed"?
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Yes. I told you I was creating this thread when you initially mentioned the topic in another thread. It's a touchy topic and I didn't want it to fully consume the other thread.
Just because a word was recently coined doesn't mean that it cannot be defined. For example, a selfie stick wasn't a thing when I was young.