The use of such rhetoric, opponents of the new laws argue, underscores a nationwide push by conservatives to make education a political wedge issue by equating certain teaching materials and educators with Mediaography and even pedophilia. This latest trend is another volley in the country’s ongoing culture wars, during which conservative lawmakers also have opposed the teaching of “critical race theory” and proposed bills requiring schools to post all course materials online so parents can review them.
I think this is just another example of conservative Americans getting agitated by right wing rhetoric and propaganda.
Here's a video compilation and represention of how emotional and aggressive these agitated people are.
Here is a list of books under fire from conservatives. Does anyone know of any other compilation of those titles?
No one claimed that liberals don't get loud or angry or inappropriate. If you would like to share an instance here we could talk about it.
"Dual standards and hypocrisy"...
That's quite a statement to make without providing a shred of evidence to support your opinion. Yes, it did seem dumb, and somewhat childish, to react that way. Are you too agitated about this topic to have an actual discussion about what you find concerning about any of the specific books or the adjacent discussions that they might precipitate?
That's because I wasn't making that claim. I never actually said that about liberals only that IF I did it would be dumb. And childish. So I made my point but you missed it.
Could you please explain your fascination with "feeling like a victim", "feelings,emotions" and people's "agitation" or other personal emotions? Is it a method you use to discount people's opinions as frivolous due to emotions so otherwise invalid? Or do you really have a bizarre fascination with anonymous strangers on the internet where you can't even see their body language or facial expressions? Pretty hard to assess people's "emotion, feeling or agitation" without that.
I assure you, I do not feel like a victim, I am not emotional or anything nor am I agitated.
Surely, you've heard of "liberal hypocrisy and double standards".
"Liberal hypocrisy and double (or dual) standards" is widely reported in the conservative press. I think that one can make a statement that they feel this exists without having to provide evidence. It's a broad statement that I think can stand on its own. But it was lame in this conversation and a deflection.
The one I saw most often used here was the "you complain about the 'insurrection' but turn an eye to the violence of BLM protests".
Another one was democrat politicians caught not wearing a mask during the pandemic, or Pelosi getting a haircut in a salon before salons were allowed to re-open to the rest of the public there.
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5 hours ago, Weetywill said:
That's because I wasn't making that claim. I never actually said that about liberals only that IF I did it would be dumb. And childish. So I made my point but you missed it.
Could you please explain your fascination with "feeling like a victim", "feelings,emotions" and people's "agitation" or other personal emotions? Is it a method you use to discount people's opinions as frivolous due to emotions so otherwise invalid? Or do you really have a bizarre fascination with anonymous strangers on the internet where you can't even see their body language or facial expressions? Pretty hard to assess people's "emotion, feeling or agitation" without that.
I assure you, I do not feel like a victim, I am not emotional or anything nor am I agitated.
A fascination?
Please quote my language that called you a victim.
Agitation can be communicated using typed words only.
Do you want to talk about angry parents at school board meetings or why conservatives are worried about books?
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55 minutes ago, Tweety said:
Surely, you've heard of "liberal hypocrisy and double standards".
"Liberal hypocrisy and double (or dual) standards" is widely reported in the conservative press. I think that one can make a statement that they feel this exists without having to provide evidence. It's a broad statement that I think can stand on its own. But it was lame in this conversation and a deflection.
The one I saw most often used here was the "you complain about the 'insurrection' but turn an eye to the violence of BLM protests".
Another one was democrat politicians caught not wearing a mask during the pandemic, or Pelosi getting a haircut in a salon before salons were allowed to re-open to the rest of the public there.
No... you are helping me out by providing some clarity for his jumbled thoughts... including citations. That older opinion piece helped me understand the conservative POV that WW seems to discuss issues from. I really enjoyed the comparisons...like comparing the Tea Party to Occupy Wall Street...of course we all know by now that the Tea Party was funded by KOCH money (Americans for Prosperity) and that caucus was almost entirely absorbed into the national Republican party. What happened to the folks from Occupy Wall Street? Did those protests against wage and wealth inequality protests even last 2 months? That was an instructive comparison while considering what "liberal hypocrisy and double standards" might mean in to a conservative in 2022.
How do you think it relates to parents and community members, angry about books in schools?
You are directing me to consider my previous statement. I do not see any advice for me to apply to myself. Your original link brought me to the quoted statement.
All I did was make a statement. I did not state an opinion, either in support nor in opposition to, regarding the content of the video. Based off of this post you made several assumptions regarding my intent.
In your quoted post you wrote the following in regards to another member's post: "Your reading comprehension scares me." This is what I was alluding to. However, in your case I'm unsure whether it's your reading comprehension or your hatred of all things you deem, to use @heron's term (which, by the way, I don't find offensive unless broadly applied to all conservatives) MAGAphilic. Personally I think it most likely the latter.
How do you think it relates to parents and community members, angry about books in schools?
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So where were my fellow lefties last year, when two Democratic state legislators tried to remove The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn from New Jersey schools?
Silent, for the most part. And that speaks to a big contradiction in the way we approach censorship. When conservatives try to ban a book, we liberals get up in arms. But when the threat comes from our own side, we often sit on our hands.
That’s what most of us did after the two New Jersey lawmakers introduced a resolution urging schools to drop Huck Finn, which uses the N-word more than 200 times. The book’s language “can cause students to feel upset, marginalized, or humiliated and can create an uncomfortable attitude in the classroom,” the resolution declared.
The problem when accusing the left of hypocrisy and "silence" is that it's not always true. Huckleberry Finn has been widely debated back and forth for a long time, even among scholars.
I've also seen here people saying "the media is silent about..." and a simple Google search shows that the media is covering the story (perhaps not being outraged like the right wing press).
I also think what the writer above misses is that liberals don't want a free for all where every single book regardless of content is allowed to everyone. I'm sure on the list of books of concerns liberals can agree that some are indeed inappropriate.
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3 hours ago, chare said:
All I did was make a statement. I did not state an opinion, either in support nor in opposition to, regarding the content of the video. Based off of this post you made several assumptions regarding my intent.
In your quoted post you wrote the following in regards to another member's post: "Your reading comprehension scares me." This is what I was alluding to. However, in your case I'm unsure whether it's your reading comprehension or your hatred of all things you deem, to use @heron's term (which, by the way, I don't find offensive unless broadly applied to all conservatives) MAGAphilic. Personally I think it most likely the latter.
How does MAGAphile give any impression that it applies to all conservatives?
I was confused when you suggested that I should take my own advice and then linked to a statement rather than some advice. Maybe you didn't get that I was reflecting that member's language back to them with the "reading comprehension" quote that you've highlighted.
Thanks for your appraisal of my "hatred of all things MAGAphillic"... that really cleared up some unaddressed elements in this thread about angry parents at school board meetings. I don't know that I "hate" the MAGA movement, but I do consider it extremely dangerous and harmful to our republic. The things that motivate the members don't appear to be founded in facts or evidence and too many of the members openly speak of civil war. That's not something that any patriot should ignore, IMV. Hate isn't something that has much space in my life but it gets mentioned in these political threads by conservatives with regularity.
Hate isn't something that has much space in my life but it gets mentioned in these political threads by conservatives with regularity.
Why do you thinkthat is?
Maybe thousands of posts, over at least half a decade, and the amount of effort and time you seem to put toward disparaging and discrediting conservative voices, even over trivial matters, gives some that impression.
How does MAGAphile give any impression that it applies to all conservatives?
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Again, where did I say it did?
13 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
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I was confused when you suggested that I should take my own advice and then linked to a statement rather than some advice. Maybe you didn't get that I was reflecting that member's language back to them with the "reading comprehension" quote that you've highlighted.
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Yes, I explained this and apologized for my lack of clarity.
13 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
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Thanks for your appraisal of my "hatred of all things MAGAphillic"... that really cleared up some unaddressed elements in this thread about angry parents at school board meetings. I don't know that I "hate" the MAGA movement, but I do consider it extremely dangerous and harmful to our republic. The things that motivate the members don't appear to be founded in facts or evidence and too many of the members openly speak of civil war. That's not something that any patriot should ignore, IMV. Hate isn't something that has much space in my life but it gets mentioned in these political threads by conservatives with regularity.
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Again, I posted a comment about edited video, a comment equally applicable to members on all sides. And then you proceeded to make multiple assumptions and ask several unrelated questions.
16 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
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Why do you think that is?
Hate might have been a strong term, but you are deffinately obsessed with this topic. How else would you explain your constant barrage of unrelated and off topic are you still beating your wife type questions.
Again, I posted a comment about edited video, a comment equally applicable to members on all sides. And then you proceeded to make multiple assumptions and ask several unrelated questions.
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Hate might have been a strong term, but you are deffinately obsessed with this topic. How else would you explain your constant barrage of unrelated and off topic are you still beating your wife type questions.
Maybe thousands of posts, over at least half a decade, and the amount of effort and time you seem to put toward disparaging and discrediting conservative voices, even over trivial matters, gives some that impression.
I think the amount of time and effort put "towards disparaging and discrediting conservative voices, even over trivial matters" should not give the impression that TMB is full of hate. He's very passionate and vocal in his beliefs, and sometimes does go off on tangents and I would say sometimes jumps to conclusions (something I've seen many others do here in fact) and gets defensive and rarely admits being wrong. But we call him out on that and many of you engage over and over with him.
There are people who write books, have pods casts, social media and websites and host tv shows towards "disparaging and discrediting conservative (and liberal) voice". It's just how some people are.
Thanks for your appraisal of my "hatred of all things MAGAphillic"... that really cleared up some unaddressed elements in this thread about angry parents at school board meetings. I don't know that I "hate" the MAGA movement, but I do consider it extremely dangerous and harmful to our republic. The things that motivate the members don't appear to be founded in facts or evidence and too many of the members openly speak of civil war. That's not something that any patriot should ignore, IMV. Hate isn't something that has much space in my life but it gets mentioned in these political threads by conservatives with regularity.
I don't know your heart but believe you when you say there is no space for hate in your life. I appreciate that because order for me to function in the world and get over some of the trauma in my life growing up in the 70's as a bullied kid, and the 80's in a world of homophobia where I was fired from a job for being gay, I had to leave hate out of the equation. I don't believe that forgiveness is necessary but hate is not either.
In 2022, I still have to do that. I will say that somethings in the MAGA-world (if I may) do make my blood boil and my soul insulted with a loathing I really do have to work through. So sometimes in the process it may sound hateful.
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That's because I wasn't making that claim. I never actually said that about liberals only that IF I did it would be dumb. And childish. So I made my point but you missed it.
Could you please explain your fascination with "feeling like a victim", "feelings,emotions" and people's "agitation" or other personal emotions? Is it a method you use to discount people's opinions as frivolous due to emotions so otherwise invalid? Or do you really have a bizarre fascination with anonymous strangers on the internet where you can't even see their body language or facial expressions? Pretty hard to assess people's "emotion, feeling or agitation" without that.
I assure you, I do not feel like a victim, I am not emotional or anything nor am I agitated.