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Patient pulls a gun on nurses - UK

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Specializes in CCU, Geriatrics, Critical Care, Tele. Has 27 years experience.

Terrified nurses had to wrestle a gun from a patient on a Midland hospital ward, it was claimed last night.

And in a separate incident, police were called when another patient was found with a knife at the Queen Elizabeth Psychiatric Hospital in Edgbaston, Birmingham.

The Royal College of Nursing has called for better security for hospital staff at a time when violence and crime are major issues for the NHS.

Full Story: http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100localnews/tm_objectid=14871821&method=full&siteid=50002&headline=patient-pulls-a-gun-on-nurses-name_page.html

celticqueen

Specializes in medical with other stuff chucked in!. Has 18 years experience.

Terrified nurses had to wrestle a gun from a patient on a Midland hospital ward, it was claimed last night.

And in a separate incident, police were called when another patient was found with a knife at the Queen Elizabeth Psychiatric Hospital in Edgbaston, Birmingham.

The Royal College of Nursing has called for better security for hospital staff at a time when violence and crime are major issues for the NHS.

Full Story: http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100localnews/tm_objectid=14871821&method=full&siteid=50002&headline=patient-pulls-a-gun-on-nurses-name_page.html

I've just read the article posted on this thread. I'm sick and tired of the way hospital staff are treated. Our job is getting increasingly dangerous, and no-one appears to care.

"If someone produces a gun or a knife on a ward, it is incredibly frightening but you can't legislate against it.

"There are no body searches done when patients come in. You would need legislation for that - otherwise it would be an infringement of human rights."

Why isn't there legislation against this?

What about OUR human rights. Have we got no right to work in an environment where we are safe from harm? What about OUR human rights not to be attacked, or in this case potentially stabbed or shot????

This is NOT part and parcel of our job, and we shouldn't have to just accept it. What do others think - am I wrong?

Emma

> Why isn't there legislation against this?

If you look the law over carefully, you'll see there already is, and it didn't stop anything. The police are too short-handed to do anything but show up after the fact, snap photos of the corpse, and ask everyone the same questions twice. And besides, to prevent crime is purposely excluded from their mandate, else everyone would be suing them.

Only you can do something. When I took a job doing armed security to feed my kids while going through school, I bought a used Safariland level III-A vest on eBay (my agency doesn't supply them). I wear it every night I work armed, and I'll wear it every night after I become an ER nurse. Even used, it was a significant expenditure, but it was much cheaper than my kids losing their Dad.

Good luck and keep yourself safe!

celticqueen

Specializes in medical with other stuff chucked in!. Has 18 years experience.

> Why isn't there legislation against this?

If you look the law over carefully, you'll see there already is, and it didn't stop anything. The police are too short-handed to do anything but show up after the fact, snap photos of the corpse, and ask everyone the same questions twice. And besides, to prevent crime is purposely excluded from their mandate, else everyone would be suing them.

Only you can do something. When I took a job doing armed security to feed my kids while going through school, I bought a used Safariland level III-A vest on eBay (my agency doesn't supply them). I wear it every night I work armed, and I'll wear it every night after I become an ER nurse. Even used, it was a significant expenditure, but it was much cheaper than my kids losing their Dad.

Good luck and keep yourself safe!

Thanks for your reply.

My point is that we shouldn't HAVE to wear, (is it) a bullet proof vest to work. Is the law about this the same in America that it is in Britain???

Why aren't our best interests taken into account? You might think that I'm raving on, but I have been punched and verbally attacked by patient's on many occasions. I just don't think it's right.:angryfire

Thanks again for your reply, and keep yourself safe too

Emma

Thanks for your reply.

My point is that we shouldn't HAVE to wear, (is it) a bullet proof vest to work. Is the law about this the same in America that it is in Britain???

Why aren't our best interests taken into account? You might think that I'm raving on, but I have been punched and verbally attacked by patient's on many occasions. I just don't think it's right.:angryfire

Thanks again for your reply, and keep yourself safe too

Emma

Hi, no, I meant there are laws against attempted murder, armed assaults, etc. already on the books. If such basic laws fail to deter, and if it's not the job of the police to prevent, then, if we want to stay safe, it falls to us as individuals to take precautions.

I think it's human nature for things to anger us where humans are involved. For instance, regarding infectious diseases, we don't generally ask whether it's fair that we have to wash our hands; we simply put up with the huge inconvenience (at least my kids act like it's a huge inconvenience).

So I find it convenient to depersonalize unpleasant situations. Keeps me from getting angry.

celticqueen

Specializes in medical with other stuff chucked in!. Has 18 years experience.

Hi, no, I meant there are laws against attempted murder, armed assaults, etc. already on the books. If such basic laws fail to deter, and if it's not the job of the police to prevent, then, if we want to stay safe, it falls to us as individuals to take precautions.

I think it's human nature for things to anger us where humans are involved. For instance, regarding infectious diseases, we don't generally ask whether it's fair that we have to wash our hands; we simply put up with the huge inconvenience (at least my kids act like it's a huge inconvenience).

So I find it convenient to depersonalize unpleasant situations. Keeps me from getting angry.

Aha!! I see what you mean now :clown:

Emma .

Jo Dirt

Has 9 years experience.

I guess the anti-gun laws in Britain don't mean much.

I worked at a small facility that fired the DON. Her husband was psycho and threatened to come up one night and " take care of the place" He told me that he had a several guns and 14,000 rounds of anmo. It was true. the facility had an attached nursing home, minimal staff at noc (4). I called the sherriff as we had no security who was able to arrest him. I spoke to the administrator and he told me not to worry about it. 2 weeks later, this same person threatened the administrator. THEN it was a big deal and we started having doors locked, regular patrol rounds, cameras installed etc.

It wasn't a big deal until the administrator was threatened. I guess nurses are replaceable.

It wasn't a big deal until the administrator was threatened. I guess nurses are replaceable.
What it is is that from management's POV it's far cheaper and less worrisome to have a nurse shot here or there than to allow the possibility that nurses, were they empowered to effectively defend themselves (and that means firearms), might give some criminal's relatives an excuse to sue. Nothing personal, just business.

What it is is that from management's POV it's far cheaper and less worrisome to have a nurse shot here or there than to allow the possibility that nurses, were they empowered to effectively defend themselves (and that means firearms), might give some criminal's relatives an excuse to sue. Nothing personal, just business.

I have to tell you, I would just settle for a policy that doors are to be locked and maybe a security gurad. In my Er, it wasn't until 5 months ago we even had an extra person out here after midnight. The old safety in numbers theory finally in effect.: )

:angryfire

I have to tell you, I would just settle for a policy that doors are to be locked and maybe a security gurad. In my Er, it wasn't until 5 months ago we even had an extra person out here after midnight. The old safety in numbers theory finally in effect.: )
:angryfire Hi, I am Kathy From Rochester New York and I am so sad you have been exposed to such a scarey event. I am a triage nurse and they Brought in a mental hygiene patient with the police. This guy was drugged up. When they finally searched him AFTER I triaged him, sure enough he had a 22 pistol in his boot. Scarey stuff. I flipped out at the thought. :uhoh3: Aggravating enough, the pistol ended up being a lighter. DUH> I guess I am watching too much TV. Keep the Lord close to your heart Love Kathyde

:angryfire :angryfire Hi, I am Kathy From Rochester New York and I am so sad you have been exposed to such a scarey event. I am a triage nurse and they Brought in a mental hygiene patient with the police. This guy was drugged up. When they finally searched him AFTER I triaged him, sure enough he had a 22 pistol in his boot. Scarey stuff. I flipped out at the thought. :uhoh3: Aggravating enough, the pistol ended up being a lighter. DUH> I guess I am watching too much TV. Keep the Lord close to your heart Love Kathyde

It is almost being on the frontline every day only I never expect people to carry weapons etc. Sometimes I am so naive. I need to start putting the thought that every person coud be armed. It is sad that we have come to this.

JBudd, MSN

Specializes in Trauma, Teaching. Has 40 years experience.

One time while pulling the pants off an intoxicated mostly nonresponsive pt, the pants came over the end of the bed and I could feel something heavy in the pockets, so I caught them up before they could hit the floor. Turned out to be a homemade cap loading percussive type gun, just looked like the rounds chamber out of a Colt. If I had let it hit the floor, it would likely have gone off, right up my leg, all 6 rounds. I didn't recognize it for what it was, (just thought it was a gunpart), neither did my security guard, but the policeman who came for the guy paled, very gingerly took this thing we'd been casually handing around, and asked for a cup of water. He pried out the caps and dumped the gunpowder in water. :uhoh21:

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