I am a RN with 2 years experience in Med-Surg and this is the first time this has happened to me. I was precepting a nurse new to our facility and we were taking care of this young patient for a kidney stone. She had came back from surgery and was sleeping. When she woke up I noticed she had tremors and was stuttering a lot.  (Interesting) Family said it was new to this admission but was doing that before surgery as well. 

A few hours later she started crying and reported 10/10 pain. So I had my orientee start by giving her 15mg of toradol IV. No relief, so then 2 tabs of 5/325 norco. Waited an hour or less, patient still crying, so we gave her 2mg of IV morphine.

Patient is now stating she can't breathe, we check her vitals, everything is normal except heart rate is 105 (I'm assuming from pain and crying). We put her on 2L of oxygen. The family tells me that she was receiving dilaudid at another hospital and that's all that works for her. (This patient is an adult but her parents were speaking for her).

I say OK I'll try calling the doctor and see if I can get an order for dilaudid. We called the doctor and he said no, give a one time dose of another 2mg of morphine, we wait a bit because we had just given morphine and then give the one time dose. Patient is asleep, family complain hand is swollen so I have my orientee stop the fluids for a bit and put ice on her hand.

It's now shift change, patient awake crying in pain again and family in room is yelling at my orientee that we are terrible and not helping her daughter. I'm hearing it from other family member on the phone as well. I explained to them that the doctor said no, and they told me to call a different doctor for the dilaudid.

Night shift nurse says "go home we'll handle it from here". I'm back to work again in 2 days (don't have the patient of course) but I'm hearing from the nurse who has the patient that they are going to write a complaint about my orientee and myself.

I am worried and lost some sleep over this because this is the first time this has happened to me and I'm nervous. Am I in the wrong and was there more I could have done? I feel guilty. 

On 12/3/2021 at 8:57 AM, Orion81RN said:

There is nothing wrong with me putting myself in the pt’s shoes and advocating for that pt. It is 100% ridiculous to prioritize your feelings over narcotics and addiction over what the pt is exhibiting. So who is taking this more personally? You with your doubts as to the pt’s pain based off YOUR experiences prevents the pt from receiving proper treatment. YOUR biased opinions. Pt was clinically presenting with severe pain and verified kidney stone, but oh no, your mind has to jump right to drug seeking. The nurse did nothing wrong in this situation, but the doctor was being ridiculous, and everyone jumping on the bandwagon of yeah, we gotta be careful with these drug seekers, even though this pt definitely has a kidney stone and v/s indicate pain. 

Mrs....how long have you been doing this again??

On 1/24/2022 at 12:23 PM, mnj7351 said:

Mrs....how long have you been doing this again??

10 years. Your point?

On 12/9/2021 at 5:21 PM, cgw5364 said:

I am a nurse with 30 years of experience. In that 30 years I have taken care of many patients with intractable pain due to cancer, chronic pain due to pinched nerves, Sickle Cell Crisis, intractable migraine, acute post-surgical pain and many more. I learned that every patient is different when it comes to what works for pain. People with chronic pain do know what medications work best. I always asked my patient's admitted with chronic conditions what medications work best for their pain.  I also learned that a patient can be asleep and still be in pain. This happened to me during childbirth. I was given Stadol during labor. This made me woozy/sleepy and did nothing for the pain. In the situation you were in I would have called the physician again after the Morphine did not work. If the physician refused to change the pain medication or come examine the patient I would have gotten the charge nurse and nursing supervisor involved. 

Yes! For the love of God....just because a patient has fallen asleep doesn't mean they're pain free. When I hear that I cringe because that small minded thinking can't possibly get any more ignorant or misunderstood....uninformed...whatever reason one has to make that make sense in their mind. It's STUPID thinking for a lack of a better description. Asinine actually. A nurse will say, "that pt just called out for pain meds saying their pain is 8/10 when they were sleeping 5 minutes ago." Shut up. 

On 12/10/2021 at 1:38 PM, nursej22 said:

I can attest to this. When I had a hysterectomy I had a Demerol PCA. It really didn't touch the pain, but it made me too goofy to express what I was feeling or complain. I later saw that nurses had charted that I rated my pain at 3/10, and frankly, I don't even think I was asked. 

Just out of curiosity and me being a smidge nosey I guess...how were you able to see it?

Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.

Narcotics do not "kill" pain; they merely adjust your attitude about it.  So, of course you can still be in pain and sedated at the same time.  NSAIDS actually prevent pain at it's source but the really strong NSAIDS like Toradol, can only be used for a couple of days.  Hence, we have to resort to narcotics.  The best pain relief after a hysterectomy is an epidural infusion.

Specializes in Public Health, TB.
8 hours ago, mnj7351 said:

Just out of curiosity and me being a smidge nosey I guess...how were you able to see it?

No worries about nosiness. I was working at the same hospital. This was back before the hospital cracked down on looking at your own chart. 

On 1/27/2022 at 2:19 AM, Orion81RN said:

10 years. Your point?

Where do you want me to start?

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