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Nursing student sues Baker College, claims she was encouraged to lie to patients

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TheCommuter, BSN, RN

Specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych. Has 15 years experience.

Honesty can be a heavy price to pay. Although the dismissed student did the right thing and can sleep at night, look at the horrible price she's paid for blowing the whistle on her shady instructor.

None of us know what really happened, or who really said what to whom, but, from reading the article, it sounds to me like the school's position is reasonable. Sounds like she was a problem student in many different ways over time, the school dismissed her, and now she's looking for some reason to sue in order to get revenge and some moolah.

FLAlleycat

Specializes in L&D, Women's Health. Has 30 years experience.

I'm on the fence on this one. As students, we were all expected to give rationale for everything. I know of at least one instructor I had who went ballistic on me when I asked HER for rationale as I truly could not figure it out. Since it was something really insignificant (but confusing), I figured the instructor simply had none and just kept quiet. This student, however, doesn't appear to be one to keep quiet nor was what she was instructed to do insignificant. She was only twenty wks away from graduation from a private nursing school ($$$$) so not sure she would willingly do anything to jeopardize her graduation. The school, though, would be losing the dollars; however, I have read that admissions are difficult to obtain so the loss of money probably wouldn't concern the school.

If this student's inability to enroll in another nursing school is truly due to this dismissal, I certainly don't blame her for suing the college. It is her future that is threatened

But, as we know all too well, the media prints only what the media wants to print, and it doesn't have to be true!

MunoRN, RN

Specializes in Critical Care. Has 10 years experience.

Here's the full text of the suit itself:

http://healthimpactnews.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/04/Nichole-Rolfe-2015-04-06-Full-Complaint-.pdf

My first thought was that this was an anti-vaccine zealot who went overboard trying to argue against vaccines, but that doesn't appear to be what happened. She appears to have asked completely appropriate questions, many in response to clearly incorrect and unethical information given by instructors.

Based on what it appears the instructors were saying, if she's the only one who questioned their statements then it's everyone else in the program who should be expelled.

It's possible she's painting a completely inaccurate picture of what happened, but there is a series of emails provided which appear consistent with the idea that her instructors were somewhere between unfair and borderline psychotic.

I'm still not seeing it. The lawsuit is, of course, the student's version of events, and paints the school in the worse possible terms in order to argue her position. As usual, whether it's a student complaining about a school or a client/family complaining about a hospital or other healthcare provider, we have only one side of the story. The school, because of confidentiality laws, isn't able to defend itself or offer an alternative version of events in the media. As in the case of so many people who come here and complain about how they were fired unfairly, for no good reason, it may well be the case that this young woman has been a "problem child" for a long time and this incident was just the final straw as far as the school was concerned. None of us really knows.

Based upon my reading of the court action, hope that the student prevails.

MunoRN, RN

Specializes in Critical Care. Has 10 years experience.

I'm still not seeing it. The lawsuit is, of course, the student's version of events, and paints the school in the worse possible terms in order to argue her position. As usual, whether it's a student complaining about a school or a client/family complaining about a hospital or other healthcare provider, we have only one side of the story. The school, because of confidentiality laws, isn't able to defend itself or offer an alternative version of events in the media. As in the case of so many people who come here and complain about how they were fired unfairly, for no good reason, it may well be the case that this young woman has been a "problem child" for a long time and this incident was just the final straw as far as the school was concerned. None of us really knows.

I thought the same thing reading the suit, until I got the e-mails which offer an unfiltered glimpse into each side. The students claim was that her appropriate questioning of various issues was for some reason seen as inappropriate, which is fully supported by the emails.

FLAlleycat

Specializes in L&D, Women's Health. Has 30 years experience.

Well, I imagine all her classmates have graduated and would testify as to whether or not she was disruptive and if they were indeed told to deceive parents re vaccinations. Who knows? Maybe some of them would like their 15 minutes of fame and will talk to the press prior to the trial.

Overland1, RN

Has 22 years experience.

Is it just me being cynical, or is there more to this story?

OrganizedChaos, LVN

Specializes in M/S, LTC, Corrections, PDN & drug rehab. Has 10 years experience.

I want to hear the college's side before I make any judgement.

There are three sides: the student's, the college's & the truth.

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TriciaJ, RN

Specializes in Psych, Corrections, Med-Surg, Ambulatory. Has 40 years experience.

This lawsuit is not passing the sniff test for me. I would really love to hear from some of her classmates. Were they namby-pambies who let her carry the torch for them? Or did they all breathe a sigh of relief that the PIA finally got punted? We may never know.

Rose_Queen, BSN, MSN, RN

Specializes in OR, education. Has 16 years experience.

I would really love to hear from some of her classmates.

100% unverifiable, but I have seen comments on some of the various news stories that she was disruptive in class and verbally aggressive towards other students. I'll hold judgement until both sides of the story are presented- we all know there's really three (hers, the school's, the unvarnished truth).

dudette10, MSN, RN

Specializes in Med/Surg, Academics. Has 10 years experience.

Rolfe was forced to sign a bogus Behavior Contract after an altercation with a student about homosexuality.

During EHR training, Rolfe questioned her instructor about the ethics vaccination education and consent. During a post-conference, she again questioned another instructor about the ethics of vaccination education and consent.

Rolfe sent an email on behalf of her work group to her instructor about not being able to meet deadlines re: a presentation. Those emails are available in the lawsuit filing papers.

We can't know the nature of the altercation with the other student nor the exchanges with two different instructors during the EHR training or clinical post-conference. However, we can read the emails, which are included in the Dismissal Contract as being part of the violation of the Behavior Contract. It is clear to me that the instructor (Osoff) over-reacted to Rolfe's email, as I did not find Rolfe's two emails to be unprofessional at all.

That leaves the exchanges with the instructors as the only incidents on which the Dismissal Contract stands. It certainly appears to me that Osoff was out to get her. I'm interested in Rolfe's recording of the Dismissal meeting...

dudette10, MSN, RN

Specializes in Med/Surg, Academics. Has 10 years experience.

100% unverifiable, but I have seen comments on some of the various news stories that she was disruptive in class and verbally aggressive towards other students. I'll hold judgement until both sides of the story are presented- we all know there's really three (hers, the school's, the unvarnished truth).

Good point, but it has to be documented to dismiss a student. If the only things documented on the Dismissal Contract were the two exchanges with instructors on vaccinations and the email exchange about deadlines, there's not enough there.

Even after reading the emails I'm not impressed. It sounds like there's more to this, not just the vaccine discussions.

Nurse Beth, MSN

Specializes in Med Surg, Tele, ICU, Ortho. Has 30 years experience.

Very interesting. I'm sorry Nichole was dismissed from the nursing program.

I looked at her Google profile where she describes herself as "Crazy woman who enjoys gas lighting others to ignite conversations" and "refuse to be bullied by the medical profession"

This will be an interesting case to follow.