Vaccination fears fuel increase in exemptions sought, AP finds - page 5
BOSTON - Sabrina Rahim doesn't practice any particular faith, but she had no problem signing a letter declaring that because of her deeply held religious beliefs, her 4-year-old son should be exempt... Read More
Oct 21, '07Occupation: visiting nurse Specialty: Too many to list ; From: US ; Joined: Mar '06; Posts: 5,909; Likes: 1,741Quote from marikat534Marikat, I believe that you must be referring to the prepandemic vaccineFinally, there is the concern about the avian flu and rightly so since it has 200 cases in humans, 60% fatal. There is a vaccine developed by Sanofi Pasteur in case of a pandemic. With proper handling of poultry meat we ingest and with the procedure in place to handle birds found positive with the virus. I am not overly concerned with the avian flu as I am other epidemics and pandemics which scare me a lot more.
since that is all that has been developed at this time.
This info is about the development of a pandemic-specific strain
and the prioritization of its distribution.
indigoLast edit by indigo girl on Oct 21, '07
Oct 22, '07Occupation: Utilization Review, prior Intake Mgr Home Care Specialty: 40 year(s) of experience in Home Care, Vents, Telemetry, Home infusion ; From: PA, US ; Joined: Oct '00; Posts: 27,590; Likes: 13,830the children's hospital of philadelphia's vaccine education center provides complete, up-to-date and reliable information about vaccines to parents and healthcare professionals. we provide videos, informational tear sheets, and information on every vaccine.
vaccines changed medicine
vaccines have literally transformed the landscape of medicine over the course of the 20th century.
before vaccines, parents in the united states could expect that every year:
Last edit by NRSKarenRN on Oct 22, '07
- polio would paralyze 10,000 children.
- rubella (german measles) would cause birth defects and mental retardation in as many as 20,000 newborns.
- measles would infect about 4 million children, killing 3,000.
- diphtheria would be one of the most common causes of death in school-aged children.
- a bacterium called haemophilus influenzae type b (hib) would cause meningitis in 15,000 children, leaving many with permanent brain damage.
- pertussis (whooping cough) would kill thousands of infants.
Oct 22, '07Occupation: IM/Critical Care/Cardiology Specialty: compassion ; Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 1,555; Likes: 656Quote from JolieWhat my doc told me and the epidemiologist is that if a vaccinated adult were to "catch" pertussis, it would come off more like a cold for them, as their immunity system would still offer protection even if the vaccine had waned some.........just my 2 cents worthNoryn,
You raise some important and valid points. I applaud parents who thoughtfully question the necessity and safety of vaccines, especially those that protect against diseases that are not readily communicable in the school setting, such as Rotashield and Gardisil. I firmly beleive that schools have no business mandating such vaccines.
At the risk of being flamed, I will also express my opinion that the chicken pox vaccine has been fairly well accepted largely because working parents don't want to be bothered staying home for 10 days with a contagious child. Back in our parents' generation, when most mothers stayed at home, chicken pox was a right of passage. Not to say that it didn't occasionally have serious consequences, but I believe far less so than MMR, polio, DPT, etc. I vaccinated both of my girls as infants, and both (now pre-teens) have already required a booster. It leaves me to wonder what their immune status will be when they reach their childbearing years, and makes me wonder if I did them any favors.Last edit by sharona97 on Oct 22, '07 : Reason: speling
Oct 22, '07Occupation: IM/Critical Care/Cardiology Specialty: compassion ; Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 1,555; Likes: 656Quote from marikat534Thanks for the post. I am glad you are not angry at all. It's a very hard decision today for parents and I do here you about personal decisions for your kids.It was not my intention to sound angry, if that came across that way, I apologize. The fact remains to me it is egocentric to decide a parent is making a bad decision not to use a treatment. If they read the risks and benefits, then decide that this is not right for their child; how is it any different than not agreeing to a radical surgery where there is not a guarantee in child with cancer? A bit odd description, but that does not make a parent a bad parent. As long as the consequences are weighed evenly.
Out of curiosity, you mentioned you had a near-death experience with whooping cough, were you vaccinated?
Finally, there is the concern about the avian flu and rightly so since it has 200 cases in humans, 60% fatal. There is a vaccine developed by Sanofi Pasteur in case of a pandemic. With proper handling of poultry meat we ingest and with the procedure in place to handle birds found positive with the virus. I am not overly concerned with the avian flu as I am other epidemics and pandemics which scare me a lot more.
HIV has cases and incidence around the world, due to the fact it is a blood borne pathogen, many brush it under the rug as education will protect the masses. The cases of HIV are going up and I am amazed how it has been identified for almost 30 years and has killed 25 million people worldwide (estimation).
Tuberculosis, this is the one that worries me the most. WHO estimates that 1.6 million died from tuberculosis in 2005. Even as I type this people are becoming infected with TB. It is a pandemic, and the scary part is there is instances of drug resistant TB popping up and since it is a highly contagious airborne pathogen, anyone can get it; MDR-TB is currently the biggest threat to DOTS. The vaccine that is currently used BCG has been found not to be highly effective.
While it might seem that I am against vaccination, I am not. I am against required vaccination for children to go to school, and strongly believe it should in the end be up the parent not to a government.
I was vaccinated prior to getting whooping cough and had worked probably 10 out of my 29 years of nursing with peds, and never had been sick before.
Oct 22, '07Occupation: IM/Critical Care/Cardiology Specialty: compassion ; Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 1,555; Likes: 656NRSKarenRN,
Thank you for the link you provided on the vaccine center. Very informative.
Quote from CindyMac58I'm curious about the neurological deficits, can you elaborate on what you have seen? Thanks.Unfortunately, working in Peds Critical Care, I have seen the devastating effects of meningitis and pertussis in the unvaccinated population. Death is not the only complication - neurological devastation is hideous.
As others have stated, we have forgotten the time before vaccinations. I contracted the measles before the vaccine was available. I have a hearing loss as a result.
With all the drug resistant strains of bacteria out there now, I have little faith in antibiotics - they are no longer the "cure-all" they once were. Again, look at the explosion of community acquired MRSA.
As for the religious aspect - I am a "religious" person. However, I don't feel you can trot out your "religion" for convenience's sake and put it back on the shelf when it's no longer convenient. I think there is a word for that - hypocrisy?
Oct 22, '07Joined: Aug '06; Posts: 1,026; Likes: 3,018My vaccine must have totally waned. I had Pertussis as an adult a few years ago, and it was much more than a cough and cold. If my childhood DTP helped at all, it only kept me from dying. Hmm, makes me think...Last edit by dream'n on Oct 22, '07
Quote from dream'nIt's quite possible your vaccination could of waned. I don't know if you had a blood test to check that. I truly can understand it being more than an "cold" type of illness for some, I was expressing what was told to me...... Did I believe it after what I went through and still dealing with.....no.My vaccine must have totally waned. I had Pertussis as an adult a few years ago, and it was much more than a cough and cold. If my childhood DTP helped at all, it only kept me from dying. Hmm, makes me think...
Yet I have had conversations with co-workers who's entire family came down with it and it was differntly presented in each and every one of them. For whatever that is worth. It just sucks to be really sick with anything!
Oct 22, '07Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 9,619; Likes: 14,055Quote from sharona97I think she may have been referring to the neurological consequences of meningitis, which include blindness, deafness and intellectual deficits. I cared for an adult woman in OB who had contracted meningitis as a child. She was left with significant intellectual imapirments that made it impossible for her to care for herself, let alone anewborn infant. Thankfully her parents were young, healthy, and able to care for both.I'm curious about the neurological deficits, can you elaborate on what you have seen? Thanks.
Oct 22, '07Joined: Oct '07; Posts: 21; Likes: 3I think measles would have been a walk in the park compared to the seizures my son had after his vaccines. We no longer vaccinate.
Oct 22, '07Joined: Jun '04; Posts: 534; Likes: 702Yes, those were the neurological deficits to which I was referring.
I'm not sure about how to respond to the seizures after the vaccine. I don't remember so much the measles - I was about 4 years old at the time. I have vague memories of being very sick. I do, as I stated earlier, have a hearing loss with significant ringing in my ears. I'd really like to know what silence sounds like sometimes, but I really prefer the ringing to total deafness.
We've had several cases of pertussis in the last 6-10 mos. One in particular was one whose parents had declined vaccination. After watching their child struggle for each breath, the parents decided that vaccination was worth the risk.
Just my 0.02.
Oct 22, '07Joined: Oct '07; Posts: 21; Likes: 3My son also had pertussis after 4 dpat shots. I took him to the doctor gasping for air and making that whoop sound as he breathed and I was told he had acute broncitis because he was vaccinated for pertussis...At first I believed him. Now I realize vaccines don't work. I read the package insert to the dpat. One in 1750 will seize from this vaccine. I hate seizures...my kids will never have another one.
Oct 22, '07Joined: Oct '05; Posts: 691; Likes: 361Quote from lovthatleaThe statement saying vaccines dont work is the most ridiculous thing I think I have read on these boards. Surely you dont believe that. In the grand scheme of things, the benefits of preventing diptheria, pertussis and tetanus seems to outweigh the risk of a seizure.My son also had pertussis after 4 dpat shots. I took him to the doctor gasping for air and making that whoop sound as he breathed and I was told he had acute broncitis because he was vaccinated for pertussis...At first I believed him. Now I realize vaccines don't work. I read the package insert to the dpat. One in 1750 will seize from this vaccine. I hate seizures...my kids will never have another one.