Vaccination fears fuel increase in exemptions sought, AP finds - page 2
BOSTON - Sabrina Rahim doesn't practice any particular faith, but she had no problem signing a letter declaring that because of her deeply held religious beliefs, her 4-year-old son should be exempt... Read More
Oct 18, '07Joined: Apr '06; Posts: 11,159; Likes: 11,316BOSTON - Sabrina Rahim doesn't practice any particular faith, but she had no problem signing a letter declaring that because of her deeply held religious beliefs, her 4-year-old son should be exempt from the vaccinations required to enter preschool.
She is among a small but growing number of parents around the country who are claiming religious exemptions to avoid vaccinating their children when the real reason may be skepticism of the shots or concern they can cause other illnesses. Some of these parents say they are being forced to lie because of the way the vaccination laws are written in their states.
Herd immunity only works when the herd is immunized. In all seriousness this points out the need for better patient education materials.
Oct 18, '07Occupation: IM/Critical Care/Cardiology Specialty: compassion ; Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 1,555; Likes: 656Quote from NurseyBaby'05Hopefully I won't get cut off at the knees by the mod for my "thoughts". ( I have once already), but here it goes.One person's quote stated that she feels the risk of the vaccine is far worse than the risk of the actual disease. Does she know what these diseases actually do? In most cases, they may not be bad, but the worst case scenario has to happen to someone's kid. What if her's draws the short straw of the outbreak?
I don't know. I hope this doesn't start a flame fest, but I am interested in hearing peoples' thoughts on this.
I believe in their right, but I also expect them to believe in my right or other children's rights to vaccinate. I almost died from the whooping cough after caring for an infant who had not been immunized. I was undiagnosed for 4 months.
I hear you loud and clear and pray for "them" not to draw the short straw, and they never have to go through what I experienced.
I am now disabled with respiratory S/P pertussis complications and can't work acute care, let alone critical care ever again. Just my 2 cents worth!:angryfire
Oct 18, '07Occupation: Operating Room Nurse Specialty: 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '03; Posts: 17,036; Likes: 1,009It really annoys me when people cite religious reasons as an convenient excuse for not doing something. Before someone hops on the flame wagon, i'm taking about people using religion as an excuse, not as a genuine reason.
Oct 18, '07Occupation: Perpetual Student Specialty: NICU ; Joined: Jul '07; Posts: 36; Likes: 28Herd immunity only works when the herd is immunized. In all seriousness this points out the need for better patient education materials.[/QUOTE]
That is true, however, better education is needed about both sides of the issue. I chose to vaccinate my daughter on our own schedule because I feel that newborns' immune systems aren't necessarily strong enough to withstand all of the chemicals we pump into them at once. If a child is staying home with mom and not going to day care there is little need for them to be immunized so early. With the dramatic rise in autism we're seeing, I understand the fears of parents who don't want to inject their children with something that was pushed through the FDA by a board member who owns stock in the pharm company making the vaccine:angryfire
Not immunizing alltogether isn't the best option either especially when we have diseases, like pertussis for example, running rampant (at least in my area), the benefits certainly outweigh the risks. I'm not sure if I'm getting my point across, but I think we parents need to educate ourselves. There is nothing wrong with questioning authority so long as one questions intelligently!
Oct 18, '07Occupation: Travel RN Specialty: 6 year(s) of experience in Oncology, Med-Surg, Palliative ; From: US ; Joined: Sep '07; Posts: 95; Likes: 63Personal opinion, do not bite off my head. Vaccinations should not be required by law but by choice.
Oct 18, '07Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 9,619; Likes: 14,058Quote from marikat534I agree that the decision to vaccinate or not should be left up to the parents for whatever sound or wacky reasons they choose. But I do not believe that children who are unvaccinated against easily communicable diseases for any reason other than medical/health issues belong in public schools.Personal opinion, do not bite off my head. Vaccinations should not be required by law but by choice.
Oct 19, '07Joined: Jun '07; Posts: 25; Likes: 9Marikat534
I agree with you. I just tried to start a new thread related to vaccines and autism but unsure if it will post. I tried prior to it to post another new thread, but I never saw it listed. I wonder what the problem is here with the moderators. Apparently this is something new started where prescreening takes place. I hope that this one " is allowed" ??????
Oct 19, '07Occupation: What????!!! Specialty: Jack of all trades, and still learning ; Joined: Dec '03; Posts: 1,376; Likes: 584I have a question. What if you have a child who requires an antibiotic for an infection, such as tonsilitis, and develops anaphylaxis. Once you develop an allergy obviously you don't take the medication. But it doesn't mean it is a bad medication. And just like a vaccination, you don't know the effect until you take it.
The difference is that these diseases for which vaccinations have been developed are much more dangerous in most cases then, say, tonsilitis, as they can affect whole populations. How many nurses have seen pertussis? It's horrible. You can still see some ppl who have had polio too. I know a person who has to walk around with this huge metal splint (like the one Forrest Gump wore). He is in his 50s now, he is a very active person, but this thing is as heavy as lead.
An objective research question, though, could be, "What is the incidence of severe reaction to vaccinations in comparison to severe reactions to antibiotics in children?" in the age group that the majority of vaccinations are given. I bet they would be similar in number.Last edit by nyapa on Oct 19, '07
Oct 19, '07Joined: Apr '06; Posts: 11,159; Likes: 11,316I always think of my old division chief.
"I'd rather be a little bit sick than a whole lot dead"
The vaccination autism lonk has just not been demonstrated in the large scale studies. That said, in general I agree with keeping the number of vaccines given at any single time to a lower number....
Oct 19, '07Joined: Apr '06; Posts: 11,159; Likes: 11,316I think it is crazy to not vaccinate. The benefit side of the equation far outweighs the risk side......
Oct 19, '07Occupation: Registered Nurse Specialty: Trauma, Trauma, Trauma ; Joined: Apr '06; Posts: 587; Likes: 427I feel very mixed on the whole vaccination idea. While I understand the need for certain vaccinations, I do not feel it is necessary to vaccinate in one HUGE BUNCH. I remember giving a 1 year old girl 4 vaccinations at one time It was the most awful feeling for me. I think ALL vaccinations should be a CHOICE! I mean, look at what happened in Texas with that governor, was it? He was was trying to make it law that every girl who is 12 (I think it was) had to get the HPV vaccine. Later it was found out that he took HUGE contributions from the pharmaceutical companies!!
Oct 19, '07Occupation: Emergency Department RN Specialty: ER, Peds, Charge RN ; Joined: Mar '05; Posts: 178; Likes: 268OK. I'm posting first of all as a nurse, and also as a mom of a three month old girl. I welcome debate, because it's how we learn... I'm just hoping I don't get flamed.
My daughter will recieve some vaccinations. Not all. One of you spoke about the kids who get the short end of the stick r/t diseases. What about those that get the short end of the stick r/t vaccinations? It does happen, hence the vaccine adverse reporting system. There have been several studies linking mercury-based preservatives in vaccines to autism and other neurological disorders. Before you say they've taken mercury out of vaccines: no, they haven't. They put it in, and then pull it back out, leaving trace amounts. I've researched my butt off, because I want what is best for my daughter.
To those of you who don't want un-vaccinated kids attending public school: if you're so sure your vaccine works, why are you so worried? Seriously, not trying to be smart, I really want to know.
Certain vaccines are only somewhat effective, yet, they are required. My daughter will recieve the DTaP (mainly for the pertussis benefit), the MMR, the Polio, and the Hib. I will not give her the rotavirus vaccine (because she's not in an at-risk population, and the recent link to intersussception of bowel), the varicella vaccine (marginally effective, and wears off), or the Hep B vaccine (as she will not be shooting up or having unprotected sex any time soon). We will delay the MMR until she is at least three years of age (due to the autism links previously reported). My family will have the flu shot, however, she will not. I will make a joint decision with her when she is older regarding the HPV vaccine. I don't feel it's been around long enough to really make an educated decision yet. I'm undecided on Prevnar, however, I'm leaning towards no.
I have a big problem with the government telling me what to do to my child. Especially a government that is ran by lobbyists, special interests, and pharmaceutical companies. Lots of people make a lot of profit off of these vaccines, and I just don't trust that they have my kid's best intrest at heart.
Plus, once it's in, it's in. There's no going back. Some of you talk about parents that don't vaccinate like they're ignorant... I find that they're really much more educated about the risks/benefits than the general population.
But I guess that's just my opinion on the matter.
Oct 19, '07Occupation: IM/Critical Care/Cardiology Specialty: compassion ; Joined: Sep '03; Posts: 1,555; Likes: 656You have some really good points on certain vaccinations you are choosing to hold. But to answer your question about why we might be worried about children not immunized in public schools is this: there are adults that work in the schools and even though they may have been vaccinated, the vaccine does tend to decrease as one gets older, so the threat of a for example small chld coming into a school environment and somehow gets ill like pertussis is that the potential to reinfect an adult or older child remains. I hope this answered that question for you.