University of Wisconsin docs reveal incomes from corporations - page 2

A few of the highest-paid double-dippers are listed in the article: URL: All I can say is WOW.... Read More

  1. by   tfleuter
    If you invent something, of course you should get royalties for it. And if you did not contribute to the product, then i see no reason why you should be entitled any profits. I would not expect any inventor to turn away profit, but I do see where a conflict of interest could come up with the situation mentioned.

    I also don't get the whole issue of refering to a physician as Dr so and so. Why does this give anyone an inferiority complex? Of course, I'm not a nurse yet, but I just can't imagine even caring about addressing someone by their title instead of first name. If a relationship between myself and a coworker is comfortable enough to go by a first name basis, great! If not, then I would rather go by formal titles anyways. Wouldn't make me feel like less of a person or nurse to have to address someone as Dr. They earned that title, whether I like them as a person or not. If I needed a title to validate myself, I wouldn't be going into nursing.
  2. by   RosesRN
    If you watch that movie Sicko by Michael Moore, you see that a lot of politicians too get kickbacks from pharm companies. I just have to say one thing. I am new to the south and I got bitten by noseeums --we don't have these in the west so I was freaked out when I had all these itchy bumps on my arms that lasted for 3 weeks! I thought I had scabies (my dad recently got scabies when he picked up a recliner chair off the curb ewwwww). So, I went to this doctor and unluckily for me he was not from the area, he was from Germany so he thought that I had chicken pox! He loaded me up with free antiviral samples and several prescriptions. I called my mother who is a nurse and she said that it was ridiculous I could have gotten chicken pox again because my childhood case was so acute and that doctor was a ding-dong going on about my "dew and rosepetal" spots. I highly doubt that this physician was courted by the antiviral drug reps and then decided to give them to me, but for other types of illness and disease that is true. A colleague of mine is a healthy girl of 24 and her doctor has her on 17 prescriptions. mostly because of depression and anxiety, ***! I think most doctors become doctors because they are attracted to the money and prestige. That is why my roommate is in med school.
  3. by   tryingtohaveitall
    With the original discussion in mind... the conflict of interest can be difficult because who better than an orthopedic surgeon to develop a newer, better device for his patients? KWIM? Of course, if theirs isn't the best product out there and they're pushing it, that's one thing. But it just makes sense to me if someone's frustrated with a device, improve on it, patent it and voila, fat stacks of cash.

    Pardon me, I need to go redesign the IV catheter.
  4. by   MedSurgeMess
    I have no problem with the inventions getting royalties, but those sky high consult fees are crazy. I'm definitely in the wrong business
  5. by   Ginger's Person
    A lot of the lecture fees mentioned in the article were for docs to present pharm industry sponsored Continuing Medical Education credits, where docs can attend, learn about the fabulous new and expensive drug or devise, get a mandatory CMA credit, and get wined and dined all night long in a fabulous and expensive restaurant.

    I live with a student at University of Wisconsin School of Medicine, and when all of this stuff about staggeringly high unreported lecture royalties came out last year, the school decided they should make a lesson of it. So, they had an afternoon lecture and discussion for med students to learn about conflicts of interest MD's have when dealing with the pharm industry.

    Soow did they convince all these med students to show up for this talk about pharm industry elbow nudging, you ask? Why, they made it a fancy, white-table-cloth, catered dinner!

    Gotta teach em while they're young! When it comes to the best medicine, it's all about who's offering the better steak.
  6. by   AtomicWoman
    Is anyone else stunned at the doctors UW *salaries*? I had no idea they were so well-compensated.
  7. by   diane227
    Our tax dollars at work. This kind of stuff is the reason so many people go without health care. If they spent all this money taking care of people who really need it instead of lining the pockets of doctors that don't need it we might be able to provide more care to more people. And don't think you are not on the receiving end of these little "gifts". It just makes a device or medication cost more for the end user. They will all have a special place in hell.
  8. by   Pierrette
    Quote from diane227
    They will all have a special place in hell.
    Who are "they"? And what did "they" do that requires their own place in hell?
  9. by   FireStarterRN
    Quote from Pierrette
    Who are "they"? And what did "they" do that requires their own place in hell?
    I think 'they' would be the bad doctors with lucrative consulting remunerations...

    ... Truly a cardinal sin
  10. by   horselover1
    wow that is amazing!
  11. by   hherrn
    So- Large and profitable corporations spend a lot of money to get expert advice from those in the top of the field. Absolutely scandalous.

    And- in response to CityKat. What???????? Why on earth do you care about what somebody else wants to be called? How does this impact patient care?, And more to the point, what on earth does this have to do with the topic at hand?

    hherrn
  12. by   Ginger's Person
    [quote=hherrn;3707333]So- Large and profitable corporations spend a lot of money to get expert advice from those in the top of the field. Absolutely scandalous.


    It's not just about physicians getting paid to give expert advice. Physicians, at least in Wisconsin, are required to acquire a minimum amount of "Continuing Medical Education" credits - CME credits (I typoed that last time) in order to maintain their board eligibility. These credits are supposed to demonstrate that docs are keeping up with the latest best practices in medicine, so that they can give the best available health care to their patients.

    What's happening here is that drug companies are paying docs very big sums of money, so-called 'consulting fees' or whatever, to teach these CME classes from the drug company's point of view, so very often docs essentially advertise for the drug or devise in question under the guise of an 'educational' talk. Numerous studies have found that these docs in pharm sponsored talks are ignoring or glossing over important information about negative side effects, ignoring that what they're touting may be less effective for most people than existing alternatives, and basically not giving what could be considered research based continuing medical education. If speakers begin to bring up negative aspects of the drug, the company they are working for will often discontinue their lectures along with their speaking fees. The outragous speaking fees, then, could very easily be considered a bribe to ignore or gloss over unattractive aspects of pharm products.

    Physicians are often motivated to get their CME credits from pharm industry sponsored classes, rather than more independant and unbiased sources, because companies will pay for doctors to go to classes over very fancy dinners, or even to fly to resorts or other lavish locations. That's way more fun than sitting in a lecture hall with no free anything. There's nothing wrong with being paid to give excellent advice, there is something very wrong with being bribed to teach and practice non-science based medicine. What this report shows is how much the drug industry is paying doctors to push their newest products, rather than the best possible product.

    This isn't a future nurse bashing physicians. I like lots of them and owe tons respect for all people who work hard to keep me and you healthy. This report came out because many docs are very concerned about the ethics of practices like this which negatively influence patient care.
  13. by   nurseme3
    If they make big $$ that is fine with me. I have worked with some of those MDs and they are hard-working and nice.

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