Union Busters - page 2

reprinted from the california nurses association/national nurses organizing committee, today sharply condemned a ruling by the bush administration's labor board that it said could deprive... Read More

  1. by   teeituptom
    I like unions, I like strikes
    I love strike breaking Pay
  2. by   mekrn
    I like self-respect and not selling my soul for a few bucks.
  3. by   West_Coast_Ken
    Quote from solidaritynurse
    I like self-respect and not selling my soul for a few bucks.
    It is all about the bucks, IMO. Question is are employers going to be "fair" to their employees with those bucks?

    To answer that question just look at how keen they are to listen to other employee concerns (ratios, supplies, overtime, etc, etc). Now taking that abuse without a fight is a real lack of self-respect.

    It's been my experience in decades of working in several jobs and industries that if an establishment doesn't do well in one area that's pretty much how they will do regarding pay, also.

    When my last employer merged with a huge union shop I was forced to sit through meetings on "how evil unions are." They were clearly worried a lot about the unions spreading to the non-union part of the company (my part). 60-80 hour weeks were common for-ever. Then they laid off 25% of the entire lot of us...and there were thousands. They were fair with the layoffs (if a layoff is ever fair) but the union represented people were MUCH better protected.

    I've never been a member of a union but when I get out there (grad in May '07) you can bet if my employer doesn't listen to and envolve the RNs then I'm a gonna be a major player in my union if available.

    My 2 (and it's worth that much, too!)

    Ken
  4. by   oneLoneNurse
    Good reason to join a union is self respect: solidaritynurse. Be proactive join today !

    I would hope most of us would not sell our souls for a few bucks. As West Coast Ken states above this is not about a few bucks. Its more about being treated fairly.

    Quote from solidaritynurse
    I like self-respect and not selling my soul for a few bucks.
    Last edit by oneLoneNurse on Oct 18, '06
  5. by   mekrn
    Quote from oneLoneNurse
    Good reason to join a union is self respect: solidaritynurse. Be proactive join today !

    I would hope most of us would not sell our souls for a few bucks. As West Coast Ken states above this is not about a few bucks. Its more about being treated fairly.
    Oh, believe me, I am union all the way, and recently spent a month on the picket line with my fellow nurses. I was responding to teeituptom's comment that he "likes strikes and loves strike breaking pay".
  6. by   teeituptom
    [QUOTE=solidaritynurse]Oh, believe me, I am union all the way, and recently spent a month on the picket line with my fellow nurses. I was responding to teeituptom's comment that he "likes strikes and loves strike breaking pay".[/QUOT

    Where at maybe I crossed it.
    I get so amused by prosolidarity, prounion rhetoric. It never changes one iota.

    Getting strike pay is wonderfull. It allows me to afford better golf courses to play on.

    Ya'll are prosolidarity and I'm pro golfability

    Trust me I dont sell my soul for a few bucks either, I generally get a lot of bucks. Big difference
  7. by   4nomark
    Oftentimes on this board we get into the argument of "Professionalism" as it pertains to the field of Nursing; however after reading certain comments of those who take glee in crossing picket lines for money a larger question crossed my mind. That question is, How can certain people be devoid of Humanity and live with themselves. I may not agree with a particular group of Nurses who feel that they must utilyze their last ditch effort at correcting some real or perceived wrong of their employer, however I full well know that by walking over their picket line I not only disrespect them I show my contempt for them as people. When people strike they risk losing their homes, savings,career, and possibly friends and loved ones. I say that because sometimes a rift may develope when friends or families don't agree with a group's decision to strike. I will not attack someone personally because of their callousness towards another human being, but how can any humane person knowingly help break the back of hard working people who are only trying to improve their situation in life. Increasingly in this society the landscape is becoming the "Haves' and "Have Nots" no longer Lower, Middle, and Upper Class. Look at the salaries of CEO's, CFO's and CFO"s. They make millions even as they bankrupt a company and we help every time we cross a picket line. I normally take my time and compose very logical and linear responces or views; but right now I'm in a controlled rage because when someone proudly talks about crossing picket lines I liken them to the soldier who betrays his fellow soldiers in a POW camp just so he can get a little extra meat, or the team player who throws the game citing "They were gonna win anyway!!" Sometime I hear on the news that certain golf players get struck by lightening while playing before,during, or after a storm. They don't always die they just get their pants fried off. I don't wish death on anyone but I sure hope someone is playing golf right about now and dosen't notice those dark clouds on the horizon.
  8. by   mekrn
    Quote from 4nomark
    Oftentimes on this board we get into the argument of "Professionalism" as it pertains to the field of Nursing; however after reading certain comments of those who take glee in crossing picket lines for money a larger question crossed my mind. That question is, How can certain people be devoid of Humanity and live with themselves. I may not agree with a particular group of Nurses who feel that they must utilyze their last ditch effort at correcting some real or perceived wrong of their employer, however I full well know that by walking over their picket line I not only disrespect them I show my contempt for them as people. When people strike they risk losing their homes, savings,career, and possibly friends and loved ones. I say that because sometimes a rift may develope when friends or families don't agree with a group's decision to strike. I will not attack someone personally because of their callousness towards another human being, but how can any humane person knowingly help break the back of hard working people who are only trying to improve their situation in life. Increasingly in this society the landscape is becoming the "Haves' and "Have Nots" no longer Lower, Middle, and Upper Class. Look at the salaries of CEO's, CFO's and CFO"s. They make millions even as they bankrupt a company and we help every time we cross a picket line. I normally take my time and compose very logical and linear responces or views; but right now I'm in a controlled rage because when someone proudly talks about crossing picket lines I liken them to the soldier who betrays his fellow soldiers in a POW camp just so he can get a little extra meat, or the team player who throws the game citing "They were gonna win anyway!!" Sometime I hear on the news that certain golf players get struck by lightening while playing before,during, or after a storm. They don't always die they just get their pants fried off. I don't wish death on anyone but I sure hope someone is playing golf right about now and dosen't notice those dark clouds on the horizon.
    :icon_hug: Thank you!
  9. by   stevesf
    Yeah right, President Bush is pulling the levers on the oil price manipulation machine (Is that like the hurricane steering machine?), and what language in the new law just signed specifically allows torture? I'm not anti-union, but this just all sounds like the smear tactics that CNA has become famous for. Come on now, all you supposedly "critical thinkers", show us all the facts behind the President's effort to destroy the unions. OK, I'm waiting . . .

    Steve
  10. by   4nomark
    You can lead any horse to water but if it refuses to drink why should anyone waste their time trying to dunk it's head in the water. No more new facts need to be uncovered concearning this Hitler like regime we currently have as an administration if you continue to ignore what's in your face that's your concearn, however remember many Jews refused to believe that their goverment was planning and instituting a system of their destruction even when the evidence was right in their faces. What's interesting is that most of the people that refuse to use "critical thinking" skills are the "older" folks who were brought up brainwashed that our goverment has never, will never, and is not presently engaged in any unethical, immoral behavior. They still want to believe that in this "mom and Apple Pie" myth even as they lose right to privacy,protection against illegal search and seizure,people imprisoned incliding "American" citizens, who are then told they have no constittutional protections. Imprisonment w/o due process,etc,etc,etc. We still need to show people facts??
  11. by   oneLoneNurse
    While I have suspicions that the GOP and the president are quite capable of making oil cheap for the election, I have no proof and therefore will not make that allegation on this site.

    My citizenship is Canadian and from what I hear on NPR its scary. From what I hear on the radio they can throw you in prison for no reason. Not that I think they would, but the idea of it is quite scary.

    The president appears to be behind the new law attempting to make charge nurses supervisors which makes it illegal for them to strike. Please help me with this Stevesf, AS this seems like union busting to me.

    Quote from stevesf
    Yeah right, President Bush is pulling the levers on the oil price manipulation machine (Is that like the hurricane steering machine?), and what language in the new law just signed specifically allows torture? I'm not anti-union, but this just all sounds like the smear tactics that CNA has become famous for. Come on now, all you supposedly "critical thinkers", show us all the facts behind the President's effort to destroy the unions. OK, I'm waiting . . .

    Steve
    Last edit by oneLoneNurse on Oct 19, '06
  12. by   pickledpepperRN
    I think this part is true:

    "...The Board found that the charge nurses, as a regular part of their duties, assigned nursing personnel to the specific patients for whom they would care during their shift. The Board found that such assignments, which consisted of giving "significant overall duties" to an employee, met the statutory definition of "assign" under the Act. The Board further found that the Employer met its burden to show that its charge nurses exercised independent judgment in making such assignments...."
    http://www.nlrb.gov/nlrb/press/releases/r2603.htm


    As charge nurse, using independent judgment, I assign and responsibly direct my colleagues ("other employees") in the interest of the patients. Too often the interests of the employer are against the interest of the patients in favor of the budget and/or shareholders.

    Section 2(11) of the Act defines "supervisor" as
    any individual having authority, in the interest of the employer, to hire, transfer, suspend, lay off, recall, promote, discharge, assign, reward, or discipline other employees, or responsibly to direct them, or to adjust their grievances, or effectively to recommend such action, if in connection with the foregoing the exercise of such authority is not of a merely routine or clerical nature, but requires the use of independent judgment.
    http://www.nlrb.gov/nlrb/shared_file...348/348-39.htm

    The Chairman of the NLRB was an attorney representing employers against workers for about forty years:
    http://www.lawmemo.com/nlrb/battista.htm
  13. by   PDXSN
    Someone obviously missed the "Critical thinking" class in nursing school. Taking the information that is fed to you without taking the time to do a little research on your own shows a great lack of critical thinking skills. There is ample evidence of big oil connections to the Bush dictatorship. Cheney was the CEO of Haliburton and still collect checks from them, Bush started several failed oil coimpanies one of which he sold to Harken Energy Corp. for 221,000 shares of Harken stock and sat on the Board of driectors, Bush's daddy Worked for Dresser industries an oil exploration company and subsidery of Brown Brother Hairman which grandaddy Bush served on the borad of directors for 22 years. There is currently an aircraft carrier war group steaming towards the Straight's of Hormuz (this is Iran's only shipping lane to export it's oil) which has caused speculation amongst oil traders that another war is on the horizon which would effect oil production. Cheney secretly met with oil companies before making the national energy policy and wont release the minutes from the meeting. He did just sign the "Detainee bill" suspending the right to due process of the law for anyone the administration deems a terrorist (could striking nurses be labled as such?). He did sign the recent bill that clarify's his suppossed rights to interagate detainee's using techniques such as water boarding but outlawing tactics that can cause death (although internal organ damage seems to be ok). He did try to privatize Social Security, and is responsible for the crappy medicade coverage that forces Seniors to take out private supplemental prescription drug insurance. He did lie to the nation about why he wanted to invade Iraq (further deepening the oil crisis). He did go AWOL during the Vietnam war. His "No Child Left Behind" law has done irrepreable harm to our nations public schools (teacher are forced to teach to the national test which is not a measure of educational success, and which causes schools that do not meet their testing criterior to lose money). He has cut off unilateral talks with North Korea forcing their nut job leader to think that Nukes were his only hope of getting global recognition and aid. He did take his eye off the real war on terror cutting troops and funding in Afganistan where the Taliban have made quite a comeback recently. He has over spent by trillions of dollars and taken the national deficit to record numbers. He did give tax cuts to the wealthy 1% of the population with the promise that those tax cuts would create more jobs, while simultaneously signing legislation allowing companies to outsource thousands of jobs to foriegn companies (people to sit on their duff and collect dividend checks from stocks will pay no more than 15% federal tax while those who work for a living will pay upwards of 30% federal taxes). Condolesa Rice did have an oil tanker named after her. President Bush and his staff have authorized the defense dept. to create a new breed of nuclear weapons (tactical nukes). President bush did pull the U.S. out of the Keyoto aggreement further adding to air pollution. President Bush did assign the job of Secratary of the Interior to (Gale Ann Norton) who had huge ties to the Coal industry and authored a piece about industries "Right to Pollute" as a lawyer as well as having ties to Jack "The Briber" Abramoff. She also made the decision to allow water from the Kalamath River to farmers during a drought killing thousands of young salmon that the down river Native American relied on for food, but allowed them to purchase water from the farmers so their livelyhood wold remain (breaking a federal treaty with Native Americans that predated the settlement of the farmers) Bush did authorize the further cutting of old growth tree stands in our national forests. Bush did allow the victims of Hurricae Katrina to die before he sent one iota of aid, national gaurd or those crappy FEMA trailers. Bush did preside as the governor of Texas during which record numbers of criminals were executed.
    So please tell me who is not using their critical tinking skills???????
    Last edit by PDXSN on Oct 19, '06

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