Staffs full, nurses struggle for work - page 8
The media seems to be catching on... When Katharine Barron enrolled in Boston College's school of nursing in 2005, everyone - family, friends, college officials - assured her hospitals would be... Read More
Apr 24, '09Joined: Jun '08; Posts: 1,489; Likes: 1,704Quote from HonestRNWhile I don't think a lawsuit will go anywhere, I don't think schools of nursing should be promoting propaganda to increase enrollment. It is time for these schools and hospitals to quit crying "nursing shortage" and instead focus on changing the work environment. The only reason hospitals are currently fully staffed is because of the economy otherwise no sane nurse would put up with the deplorable working conditions.
While schools should be ethical in advertising, I think students bear responsibility to properly research fields that interest them to see what future employment is predicted.
They should decide on a particular line of work only after careful research. Not that research is a guarantee that things won't change, but they would at least have tried to be wise.
I think the OP is worrying needlessly. She's letting the news reports upset her and I think reporters are supposed to get printed, get heard, and they will say just about anything to achieve that. They magnify things.
If she can't find work in Boston, she might have to relocate. People do that all the time to find work. It might be the best thing that could ever happen to her. Or, if she didn't like her new locale, she could move back to Boston after things are better there again. And they will get better. Recessions don't last forever.
People should spend time on the job with someone in their intended career before going to school for it. That could save a lot of grief and expense.
100K isn't that much for a college education, but it's too bad she didn't go to community college her first 2 years. Oh, well, it iwll all work out, I believe.
Apr 24, '09Joined: Jun '08; Posts: 1,489; Likes: 1,704Maybe the best way to find jobs is to do it the old-fashioned way: know somebody. Be around those who hire, somehow. Run into them at church, the mall, wherever. Make friends. Or just try to find out if you have any friends who can put in a good word for you.
Or can you volunteer? For young people, can you candystripe or volunteer somehow? Anything to get acquainted with the hiring managers.
Maybe not easy but it couldn't hurt. Good luck.
Also, if people simply can't find a nursing job, you might have to consider another line of work, at least temporarily. Lastly, all of this could be a blessing in disguise. Deep disguise, but disguise nonetheless. Something good will come of it. Hang in there.Last edit by Vito Andolini on Apr 24, '09
Apr 25, '09Occupation: ER Nurse Specialty: Peds, Tele, ICU, ER, Orthopedics, Psych, ; Joined: Sep '07; Posts: 55; Likes: 38wow,
I guess I am thankful that I went to a diploma school with a hospital attatched - guaranteed me a job, plus gave me invaluable experience while a student. I find it hard to comprehend that no hospitals are hiring new grads - however, I can understand why hopsitals want to hold out for experience - saves them a lot in the long run. I wish all the new grads luck.
May 8, '09From: US ; Joined: Aug '07; Posts: 42; Likes: 26Quote from Pineapple devilPlease look into the facts behind this story: Boston College is a private school, she is paying for a BSN so she's got a well rounded education. A Bachelors in nursing at $100K was certainly a better idea than a bachelors in sociology from Boston College or xyz private university.wow! 100k in student loans for what i assume to be a BSN. Too bad she didnt take a class in logic and mathematics along the way b/c that was really a dumb move
It wasn't such a "dumb move" if she were going to work in Boston (which I will assume). Nurses in the northeast can start at $60K a year. Nurses with experience are pulling in the big bucks there (it's a high cost of living area).
Then the economy bottomed out and new nurses can't get jobs in the pricey northeast anymore. So she's stuck with that huge debt with low return (in the present, because things will change, I just don't know when...)
It was bad timing, that's all.
We all make choices in life that are constrained by various factors. I grew up in the Boston area. I chose an out of state, strong (but cheaper) public university program b/c I knew the debt I would face in a second degree program at Boston College. I was blessed with the courage and independence (my parents and siblings can take care of themselves) to be able to move halfway across the country to enroll in a cheaper nursing school. But not everyone has that option. We're all dealt different hands in life and we just have to play our cards and hope for the best.
We're all in this profession together, no matter how we got there.Last edit by SouthernComfort31 on May 8, '09 : Reason: adding on
May 9, '09Occupation: CRNA Specialty: 45 year(s) of experience ; From: MI, US ; Joined: Nov '03; Posts: 1,681; Likes: 2,189[QUOTE=Kabin;3587402]Why are you so defensive? I say good for you to have acknowledged your mistake and to already have a plan to correct your problem. But let's not muddy the waters so others make the same mistakes. These forums aren't all about you.
The bottom line here - it's one thing to seek a bsn from a private school if you have a or your parents can afford it but anything else makes little sense. I have two bachelor degrees and one master degree and never accumulated debt.[/QUO
Poster is not being defensive. You are being offensive. If you cherish education for its own sake, you do what you can to get the best that you can do. Not knocking CC - took my organic chem in a CC and had a terrific experience - BUT, its the poster's education - not yours. You're being incredibly smug for all the wrong reasons.
May 11, '09Occupation: RN-Cardiology From: US ; Joined: Feb '09; Posts: 5; Likes: 2As a new grad this year, I see the frustration. A lot of my classmates are having problems finding jobs. The best advice I can give is to begin working at a hospital or medical facility before you graduate to get in the door. It will keep your debt down as well. It has helped me and a few others find solid jobs, and ones we're actually looking forward to working. Good luck.
May 12, '09Joined: May '09; Posts: 12; Likes: 1All,
I am currently a student planning to enter an accelerated batchelor program for nursing in August. The past few months I have really been rethinking my options. This program will cost me $44,000 and the going rate for nurses is only $17-20/hour in my area (Nebraska). I am worried that 1) I will be swimming in debt payments of over $500/month for the next 10 years of my life and 2) i will not be able to find a job and will be luck to just get something whether I like it or not. I kind of feel like that kid in Boson that has to move home with mom after spending 100k on a useless degree. Is this going to happen to me?
I'm worried this is going to be the worst mistake of my life. After $45k there's no turning back.
Any advice from you seasoned RNs or new grads? How can I tell if this is going to be right for me?
May 12, '09From: US ; Joined: Aug '07; Posts: 42; Likes: 26Can you go to a state school for cheaper? If so, go for it! Definitely go for the BSN too.
May 13, '09Occupation: RN-Cardiology From: US ; Joined: Feb '09; Posts: 5; Likes: 2I took a loan for 20K to get through 2 yrs of nursing school and worked 24hrs a week to make up the rest. I have a $644/month payment for 3 yrs. I also went to a ADN program so it was a great deal cheaper. I'm going for a RN-MSN degree now and I am able to pay for that out of pocket because I'm working. Have you investigated all other forms of income (grants;service/canc loans;).There were a great deal of classmates that made it through the program without a dime of debt because of these options. A BSN is a great thing to have, but if you are just looking to get out and work as a staff nurse and not further your education, you don't need it.
May 13, '09Joined: May '09; Posts: 12; Likes: 1Thanks for your reply. I would want a BSN because I have hopes to one day get a masters (whether I will or not is a completely different story). Also, I like the idea of only going to school for 12 months and being able to work as a nurse right away... that is, if I can get a job! All the stories about new grads that can't find jobs is really scaring me.
I don't qualify for grants because my family income was too high last year. I made a lot of money at my previous job and my husband makes a decent amount too so our tax statement was high. I quit to go back to school so it looks like we are making a lot more money than we are right now. I applied for a few scholarships here locally and did not get them.
I did get my financial aid award notification and it looks like it's only going to cost me $30k for tuition, not $44 so that makes me feel a little better. At least my loans will be less than my starting salary!
May 13, '09Occupation: RN, School Nurse Specialty: 35 year(s) of experience in School Nurse, Maternal Newborn ; From: US ; Joined: Feb '09; Posts: 249; Likes: 298Quote from KabinWhy are you so defensive? I say good for you to have acknowledged your mistake and to already have a plan to correct your problem. But let's not muddy the waters so others make the same mistakes. These forums aren't all about you.
The bottom line here - it's one thing to seek a bsn from a private school if you have a scholarship or your parents can afford it but anything else makes little sense. I have two bachelor degrees and one master degree and never accumulated debt.
In my experience, I have seen a lot of students that went to private colleges, NOT necessarily to get a better education, but because they could get in more easily. Most private colleges in my area are just plain easier to get into, because they don't get as many applicants. The waiting lists for applicants is often very long to the community colleges and state colleges. Even if it is a fabulous private university, a lot of people just can't afford to consider applying- they can't be saddled with that much debt. State colleges can often offer a comparable education with much less expense and much less debt.
May 13, '09Joined: May '09; Posts: 12; Likes: 1Just another point of view. In my area, the state school only takes 7 students per year for the accelerated BSN. The private schools (there are 3 in the area) take 200 students per year per school. So, pretty much no one can get into the cheaper state school if they want to do the accelerated program. In fact, there are a lot of folks from out of state that come to the private schools here because the programs are so much larger and, like you said, easier to get into.
Of course, the state school offers just as many 4 year traditional BSN slots as the private schools, but that is not very attractive to someone like me who already has a batchelor's degree.
Community colleges offer cheaper 2 year RN programs but, for those of us that have degrees, you can get a BSN in 12 months with the accelerated program... which will allow you to move on to get a MSN if you so choose.
So, I know I am going to be going into a lot of debt and may even regret this decision... but there are some advantages to going to a private school in my area anyway. Although, I would still say - if you can do it for less debt - go for it! I am certainly not looking forward to paying back $40k.