Staffs full, nurses struggle for work - page 3

The media seems to be catching on... When Katharine Barron enrolled in Boston College's school of nursing in 2005, everyone - family, friends, college officials - assured her hospitals would be... Read More

  1. by   Meriwhen
    Quote from tpanative
    This article convices me to go ahead and license as a CNA and get a job to see if nursing is definately the right fit for me. It looks like i'll have to work through nursing school (which wasn't the original plan), but if my employer will pay for it then I won't add to my $35k in loans during my BA years.
    Another advantage to becomming a CNA: you may end up having a job as an RN waiting for you when you graduate. Hospitals like to hire internally because it's cheaper. My classmates who have been working as CNAs or nursing assistants are all but guaranteed nursing jobs when they graduate while the rest of us are scrambling.

    Of course, by the time you graduate the job market may very well be different
    Last edit by Meriwhen on Apr 20, '09
  2. by   nycrncares
    Before I became an RN I was in nursing school (at age 40) and decided to become a CNA. It was the best decision I made. It gave me a greater appreciation of CNA's and I knew how hard the job is. It was physically demanding. It is a great decision to make to see if you are cut out for nursing. I realized I was. Being a CNA only helped me become a better nurse. (I can make a bed in no time! Just kidding, but it helps you to prioritize your patients. Good luck!
    Last edit by nycrncares on Apr 20, '09 : Reason: typos
  3. by   tpanative
    Thank you nycrn222b and meriwhen, you both just validated my decision. A friend who works at a local cancer hospital is going to forward my application to the hiring managers once I get my FL CNA cert.
  4. by   minnib
    Quote from HonestRN
    While I don't think a lawsuit will go anywhere, I don't think schools of nursing should be promoting propaganda to increase enrollment. It is time for these schools and hospitals to quit crying "nursing shortage" and instead focus on changing the work environment. The only reason hospitals are currently fully staffed is because of the economy otherwise no sane nurse would put up with the deplorable working conditions.


    WELL SAID!!!!AND SO ACCURATE!!!
  5. by   VICEDRN
    [quote=DIC Harwould;3577898]A student wanting to sue his/her university for agreeing to assume educational debt and not having his/her dream job waiting in the wing for you is like an inmate sueing his/her respective prison for undersized underwear; it's ridiculous. Our country is in shambles because no one owns up to their own misdoings or decisions.

    Feel slighted: sue!
    Angry: sue!
    Depressed: sue!

    Before you electronically/physically sign your promissary note, you agree to incur any financial responsibility for said loan.


    No student is talked into signing their loan application; if they do not realize the possibility of not being able to procur employment post-graduation, shame on them, no one is to blame; such is life.


    Sorry to disagree here but fancy private colleges will be the first in line to tell you that they are selling an "educational product." (Trust me, my first Bachelors is from one of the fancy expensive schools.) Its how they justify the enormous tuition that they charge.

    When you sell a product, you can expect to be sued if the product does not deliver what you promised it would. This is true if you sell diet pills, snake oil or education. At Smith, we were repeatedly told by faculty that a degree from Smith is a gateway to the exclusive alumni network that would guarantee you a job anywhere in the world. I didn't necessarily buy into it and I certainly didn't get a job right out of school that would have covered my loans on their repayment plan! lol. (No. I didn't sue.)

    In terms of the woman who spilled coffee on herself, the public perception of that incident is unfortunate. Her coffee was heated to between 110 and 130 degrees. She spilled the coffee on her lap causing severe burns to her groin area. The lips of her labia were fused together. She has significant nerve damage, loss of sexual function and due to her numerous surgeries, has suffered through incontinence as well. Her rather large award was reduced on appeal to an amount that essentially covered her costs of litigation and medical expenses.

    I am not saying that it wasn't her fault that the coffee spilled but the jury found (and I agree) that McD's should have at least warned her that the coffee was THAT HOT because I can tell you when I learned about this from a lawyer I used to work with I was shocked that the coffee could be handed out at that temperature! If you worked around something that hot, you would expect to see a big red label or something and the plaintiff similarly expected to be warned and the resultant injuries are life altering.

    Finally, in terms of class action lawsuits, the class usually consists of known plaintiffs and unknown plaintiffs. Proceeds of the suit are distributed to the known plaintiffs, properly offered to unknown plaintiffs and the lawyers fees are paid. The unclaimed claims of the unknown plaintiffs are then given to charity usually one that reflects the nature of the suit. For example, the Red Cross received $250,000 in unclaimed plaintiffs' claims following a lawsuit in which a certain company price gouged customers who purchased their clothes. The donation was intended to reflect the need in our community to cloth victims of fires and homeless persons. However, the gift was made with no restrictions. Thus, class actions do stimulate the economy in some ways.

    Personally? I believe the class action you describe is coming.

    Ok. Sorry to be off-topic.

    Agree that I am hopeful things will turn around for us nursing wannabes!
  6. by   nerdtonurse?
    I know where I am, we are getting a TON of "I didn't work for a while, but hubby lost his job, and I'm back" newhires. That means the "fresh out of school" group won't get those spots....of course, the returning nurses are now remembering why they left to begin with, and we've had two tell the NM to stuff it and quit during "orientation."
  7. by   Meriwhen
    Quote from rn2tobeatlanta
    I am not saying that it wasn't her fault that the coffee spilled but the jury found (and I agree) that McD's should have at least warned her that the coffee was THAT HOT because I can tell you when I learned about this from a lawyer I used to work with I was shocked that the coffee could be handed out at that temperature! If you worked around something that hot, you would expect to see a big red label or something and the plaintiff similarly expected to be warned and the resultant injuries are life altering.
    I disagree: she should have known not to put a container of hot liquid of any temperature in her groin area. With all respect, her behavior was a prime example of foolishness in action. My sister once tried to take a bowl of soup into bed with her, resulting in 1st and 2nd degree burns on her groin...but even she had to acknowledge that what happened was entirely her fault, not Lipton's.

    For the curious:
    http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

    Going back on topic...I don't think the student planning to sue her school is really going to have a case unless the school made specific promises to the student that a degree from their institution would guarantee a job upon graduation, or that the school would get the student a job. Most places I've seen promise job assistance at the most. AFAIK, even many of the diploma programs in the hospitals don't guarantee their students jobs in their hospitals, but stop short at "you'll get priority over non-students" during the application process.
  8. by   Kim15195
    I was considered less desirable than new grads even though I have 10 years of NICU and home care experience.....they said new grads were more desirable...less pay and more recent hands on. I left nursing to rais my own kids....not coming back because husband lost job...but because I love nursing.
  9. by   oramar
    [QUOTE=rn2tobeatlanta;3579242]
    Quote from DIC Harwould
    A student wanting to sue his/her university for agreeing to assume educational debt and not having his/her dream job waiting in the wing for you is like an inmate sueing his/her respective prison for undersized underwear; it's ridiculous. Our country is in shambles because no one owns up to their own misdoings or decisions.

    Feel slighted: sue!
    Angry: sue!
    Depressed: sue!

    Before you electronically/physically sign your promissary note, you agree to incur any financial responsibility for said loan.
    Quote from DIC Harwould

    No student is talked into signing their loan application; if they do not realize the possibility of not being able to procur employment post-graduation, shame on them, no one is to blame; such is life.


    Sorry to disagree here but fancy private colleges will be the first in line to tell you that they are selling an "educational product." (Trust me, my first Bachelors is from one of the fancy expensive schools.) Its how they justify the enormous tuition that they charge.

    When you sell a product, you can expect to be sued if the product does not deliver what you promised it would. This is true if you sell diet pills, snake oil or education. At Smith, we were repeatedly told by faculty that a degree from Smith is a gateway to the exclusive alumni network that would guarantee you a job anywhere in the world. I didn't necessarily buy into it and I certainly didn't get a job right out of school that would have covered my loans on their repayment plan! lol. (No. I didn't sue.)

    In terms of the woman who spilled coffee on herself, the public perception of that incident is unfortunate. Her coffee was heated to between 110 and 130 degrees. She spilled the coffee on her lap causing severe burns to her groin area. The lips of her labia were fused together. She has significant nerve damage, loss of sexual function and due to her numerous surgeries, has suffered through incontinence as well. Her rather large award was reduced on appeal to an amount that essentially covered her costs of litigation and medical expenses.

    I am not saying that it wasn't her fault that the coffee spilled but the jury found (and I agree) that McD's should have at least warned her that the coffee was THAT HOT because I can tell you when I learned about this from a lawyer I used to work with I was shocked that the coffee could be handed out at that temperature! If you worked around something that hot, you would expect to see a big red label or something and the plaintiff similarly expected to be warned and the resultant injuries are life altering.

    Finally, in terms of class action lawsuits, the class usually consists of known plaintiffs and unknown plaintiffs. Proceeds of the suit are distributed to the known plaintiffs, properly offered to unknown plaintiffs and the lawyers fees are paid. The unclaimed claims of the unknown plaintiffs are then given to charity usually one that reflects the nature of the suit. For example, the Red Cross received $250,000 in unclaimed plaintiffs' claims following a lawsuit in which a certain company price gouged customers who purchased their clothes. The donation was intended to reflect the need in our community to cloth victims of fires and homeless persons. However, the gift was made with no restrictions. Thus, class actions do stimulate the economy in some ways.

    Personally? I believe the class action you describe is coming.

    Ok. Sorry to be off-topic.

    Agree that I am hopeful things will turn around for us nursing wannabes!
    Yup, I was thinking something along that line. Just a matter of time.
  10. by   VICEDRN
    Quote from Kim15195
    I was considered less desirable than new grads even though I have 10 years of NICU and home care experience.....they said new grads were more desirable...less pay and more recent hands on. I left nursing to rais my own kids....not coming back because husband lost job...but because I love nursing.

    Good luck!
  11. by   Kim15195
    Thanks!
    I don't have to work...I want to work.
  12. by   Kim15195
    Quote from nerdtonurse?
    I know where I am, we are getting a TON of "I didn't work for a while, but hubby lost his job, and I'm back" newhires. That means the "fresh out of school" group won't get those spots....of course, the returning nurses are now remembering why they left to begin with, and we've had two tell the NM to stuff it and quit during "orientation."


    I love nursing!
  13. by   LIjeany
    here on long island,ny, the sunday newsday used to have at least 2 1/2 pages of health care opportunity jobs, mostly for nurses, now it's maybe a 1/4 to 1/2 page with very little nursing jobs within, i am a 53 year old rn, and have been told, "why should we hire you when we have so many young nurses applying" my last few job interviewers told me they were amazed at the large number of nurses applying, there is a large influx in this area of young nurses from the phillipines and haiti, which is great but in the long run, it's driving older nurses out of their jobs, several large facilities have gotten rid of senior nurse in favor of younger nurses at less pay. it's kind of sad to put over 20 years into a career and see it thrown into the gutter by one corporation that is taking over every health care facility on long island.

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