Senator addresses nursing shortage - page 2

in a letter to the ny times, sen. dick durban (d-illinois) says the u.s. is complicit in the sad state of health care in the third world, blaming the lure of the u.s. for draining those countries of... Read More

  1. by   Akasha85
    We do not need to import nurses we have nurses if the board of nursing would not be so stringent on a simple mistake but they take an alcoholic and allow them to work they take drug addicts and drug thiefs and allow them to work but a inmate gets ahold of personal information and they treat the nurse like a criminal. The board of nursing needs to looked at closely in all states especially in wi. But wi lets a nurse who murdered a patient by giving and epidural iv instead of epidural go. What is up with that.
  2. by   Castymiss
    I really think your post does not make much sense. I do not think a nurse who is a drug addict, alcoholic or thief should be working. I know the nursing boards will allow nurses with these problems to go into diversion to see if they can get help. Diversion is very strict and if the nurse messes up they lose their license to practice nursing. Could be you are not familiar with the case involving a nurse who YOU say, "murdered" a patient. Do not think this has anything to do with the nursing shortages in this country.
  3. by   eriksoln
    Quote from pinfinity
    ...The only "shortage" I have seen in my nursing career is a "Hiring" shortage. Here in NC it has pretty much been an openly; however not discussed policy of not hiring nurses when RN's quit.

    You don't dare "refuse" or "respectfully decline" an assignment or you get shown the door...Quick..and your "reputation" for being such a patient advocate follows you as well.

    I have been working for a staffing agency at a hospital that just received their Magnet Re-designation in 2008 and guess what? all our hours were slashed to 1 day a week and the current staff were not happy about it at all. There were days when the only staff people on the floor were agency and those were some scary times.

    I believe the current "nursing shortage" is an overly hyped myth created to lower pt's expectations and feed the hospitals bottom line. Ask anyone who has worked in admin. side of healthcare and they will tell you that they have to fight to keep budget's up for staffing needs. The first place they cut is nursing.Always has been and always will be.

    My last Supervisor was a 23 year old fresh out of school nursing graduate. Yep! why hire 1 nurse with 20 years exp at that level of pay when you can get 2-3 new grads for the same price and a supervisor to boot? yeeehaa!

    As for me, I am currently looking to relocate.

    I guess I can look forward to getting back to the laborous task of the suppression of minorities.

    I've been saying this for 2 years and only get "But hospitals will punish you if you tell the pt. you are working short handed" and other not very well thought out responses.

    All I know is, in the public, people always say to me "Hey, you are a nurse, at least you are doing well in this economy. With the nursing shortage, they dont dare let you go."

    When I explain to them there is no shortage and that most hospitals have quit hiring staff for more than a few months now, they look at me like a child who just found out Santa Claus is not for real. Then I explain how there are new grads who have been sitting around for a year without so much as an interview. After that bit of info., hey look at me like I am a schizophrenic conspiracy theorist. I finish by explaining how hospitals let the "shortage" myth ride because it lowers expectations and then a light bulb goes off over their head.

    I'd love to get out of nursing, but the economy wont let me. Its not what I signed up for. Most places warehouse people. I feel like a fork lift operator moving people instead of boxes.
  4. by   Akasha85
    Back in the day nurses were the lowest paid staff, now they got their high pay and now less jobs and they complain about the work load. You have to make to many people happy, the boss, the don, the administrator, the corporation, the state and the feds then the patient. We have enough nurses in this country but the question is are they competent. I know of friends telling me things that other nurses have done I asked if they reported it to the board they say no what is the point. that is sad. then nurses that should not be reported are and the board has to show their power. We just do not need nurses from other countries in this country. I do not believe there is a race thing going on in hiring, I have never seen that.
  5. by   Halinja
    LOL, which article are you reading? The first article is not by Durbin, the second is the link to his letter, which is short and cannot possibly have held all the nuances I'm reading above. I did not find his letter at all unclear.
  6. by   Akasha85
    then don't throw the stone. look for the article. maybe you are just to smart for me. out
  7. by   Halinja
    pardon me, akasha. i was not addressing you in particular, but all the posters previous to me. also...i did not perceive what i said as throwing stones. what i read was:

    to the editor:
    re "where life's start is a deadly risk" ("death in birth" series, front page, may 24):
    your sad story of death in birth in tanzania should have also noted our complicity.
    every year, the united states lures thousands of health care professionals from the developing world. they come for the same reasons as my immigrant mother's family and supply our growing appetite for medical care. meanwhile, we regularly turn away qualified nursing school applicants for lack of faculty and clinical opportunities-all while we face a nursing shortage estimated at more than 100,000.
    we must do two things: expand our health care capacity by giving american nursing schools the resources they need to hire educators to train the next generation of nurses. and we must help the growth of health care in developing countries.
    the bipartisan african health capacity investment act gives vital aid to help african nations accomplish the latter goal. your article, and the h1n1 influenza, reminded us that we now share a hospital room with the world.
    dick durbin
    assistant senate majority leader
    washington, may 26, 2009

    that was the only direct information i saw from durbin. other info was introduced later. but the letter from durbin was pretty darn short. he said we need to do two things. help train american nurses. and help the growth of health care elsewhere in the world. (one way to do that would be to not steal their trained medical personnel)

    some of the previous posters seemed to be attributing some of the information in the article titled "when life's start is a deadly risk" to durbin. durbin did not write that article, he was reacting to it. that's the only point i was trying to make.

  8. by   flightnurse2b
    Quote from eriksoln

    All I know is, in the public, people always say to me "Hey, you are a nurse, at least you are doing well in this economy. With the nursing shortage, they dont dare let you go."

    that drives me crazy.
    people say that to me daily. "oh, well you nurses have nothing to worry about. you don't have to look for jobs". i was at a bbq last weekend and some ladies were talking about going back to school and becoming nurses bc it's "recession proof and easy money". i quickly butted my head in and told them that no it's not recession proof, most new grads are having a hard time finding work and having trouble getting proper orientation if they do, and that nursing is absolutely not "easy money". they looked at me like i seriously had told them (just as you said in your post) that santa claus what not real.
  9. by   sirI
    Friendly reminder.

    Please, let's debate the topic, not single out each other, making comments too personal. This does nothing positive for the thread.

  10. by   anoro
    Yes I know it does have something to do with the shortage. OK not many RNs but I've personally received word from 4 who said, "I'll take my education and go elsewhere". A BSN is a college degree, MSN is two, even without the without the RN license there are still jobs to be had in healthcare, employee training, writing, all 3 fields employing ex-RNs.
  11. by   4hana9
    Quote from ImStillStanding
    Senator, nursing shortage? REPEAT, after I graduated from nursing school (a class of 62 nursing students) eleven of us remain and completed the program. We were told that we could not take our nursing exams because we would never pass it, and our names were put on all state nursing boards NOT TO LET US TAKE OUR NURSING EXAMS. Our school was located in California and had graduated many of nursing students before. The only way I was able to take my exams was after a lot of prayers, earthquakes, firestorms, $10,000 student loan, ect. I PASSED my nursing LVN the first time I took it and it only took me less than an hour. I ran into one of my fellow nursing student from the original class of 62 on my way across country and she said she passed. Yet we both at sometime had to supervise nurses that had taken the RN exam over and over from other countries. SO PERSONALLY I FEEL that many states especially CALIFORNIA (schools and hospitals) are very racist when it comes to educating and training AFRICAN AMERICAN nurses. We are experiencing the same problems NOW years later while trying to get training , education and work on our RN. Most schools will not accept our credits because they are too old and the waiting lists are long, and many classes that we need are full or reserve for students in the nursing program. It is very hard to get a full time job in a hospital, because one nurse told us, that Sacramento had put our names on a list. Now if you go into many hospitals in California you can't even count on one hand the number of African American nurses born in America. HOWEVER we are going to press on until we finish no matter what. California is getting worse and worse at educating AFRICAN AMERICANs in the nursing field, some people call it subtle racism of Sacramento.
    Please don't write like that. If you want to get your point across, you don't need to make the font 3x bigger and bold it. It's really annoying.