Rape victim denied morning-after pill - page 11

Tuesday, July 25, 2006 BY TOM BOWMAN AND DIANA FISHLOCK Of The Patriot-News LEBANON - A Good Samaritan Hospital emergency room doctor refused to give a rape victim a morning-after pill because... Read More

  1. by   KScott
    Debating where this woman was sleeping, and why, is tantamount to debating what she was wearing and whether, or not, she had a previous sexual history. This inevitably leads to a "she deserved it" argument, which is not only unfair and repulsive, but in my opinion has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
  2. by   Shamira Aizza
    Quote from KScott
    Debating where this woman was sleeping, and why, is tantamount to debating what she was wearing and whether, or not, she had a previous sexual history. This inevitably leads to a "she deserved it" argument, which is not only unfair and repulsive, but in my opinion has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
    That is absolutely not the intended implication. Noone ever deserves this crime and I believe rape should be punished with life-time incarceration, and that the rapist should be executed if it results in a pregnancy which is terminated by abortion. You may think I'm kidding, but I don't believe at all that the rapist should get off easier than the aborted baby, and certainly not any easier than the woman who lives with the knowledge of the crime for the rest of her life...the same should be for the rapist...in prison.

    What is relevent, however, is the flawed story, flaws which do not necessarily terminate with the arrival at the ED.

    And with the very real possibility that someone has misrepresented the circumstances of the crime lends itself to the possibility that the facts about the ED visit may also be inconsistent. And these elements were also included in the news story, so I'm not sure what exempts them from discussion.
  3. by   gauge14iv
    Quote from KScott
    Debating where this woman was sleeping, and why, is tantamount to debating what she was wearing and whether, or not, she had a previous sexual history. This inevitably leads to a "she deserved it" argument, which is not only unfair and repulsive, but in my opinion has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
    Exactly. Furthermore - this individual case isn't the root of the problem, it just happens to be one demonstration of it.

    And - the issue at hand really isn't whether mennonite health providers in this particular area have the right to impose their beliefs. It's whether ANY health care worker of any background at all has the right to impose his or her beliefs on the patients they serve. The patient often is notin a position to choose who is present to care for them - they get the doc or nurse on duty when they show up needing care. They trust (and rightfully so) that that care will conform to nationally accepted standards of care and that they won't be ridiculed, belittled, or further victimized by being forced to seek care elsewhere because a provider chose to illustrate a personal point with them.
  4. by   pat1960
    So does a woman have a right to inject heroine into her body? Does a woman have a right to sell her organs on ebay? After all it is her body and she can do with it what she wants.



    Quote from tvccrn
    That is why we have the right to chose in this country. I DO NOT support abortion or women who use the morning-after pill as contraception. I am only saying that a woman has the right to chose what to do wiht her body and in this case, for her, this is the right choice.

    tvccrn
  5. by   gauge14iv
    Quote from pat1960
    So does a woman have a right to inject heroine into her body? Does a woman have a right to sell her organs on ebay? After all it is her body and she can do with it what she wants.
    She can do what she wants as long as it is legal. Abortion happens to be legal - whether your or I agree with it or not. Heroin and the sale of organs aren't legal. It doesn't mean people won't try it anyway, but there are consequences outlined in the laws if she gets caught at it.
  6. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from azhiker96
    It may be time for the non-mennonites to force their beliefs on others. I don't know. I don't live in that area of the country. There is a push though to do that.
    You do not treat patients based on the religious beliefs of very vocal members of a community.

    What's really at stake here is $$$. The hospital doesn't want to lose money from that community, bottom line. They (the "community") aren't the majority, but they're a big financial draw for tourists, and they use that as political clout.

    You wouldn't want to live in this area. There's a lot I could say about things that happen here, but it would come across as flaming, so let's just say that there's a lot of hyposcrisy.
  7. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from Shamira Aizza
    That is absolutely not the intended implication. Noone ever deserves this crime and I believe rape should be punished with life-time incarceration, and that the rapist should be executed if it results in a pregnancy which is terminated by abortion. You may think I'm kidding, but I don't believe at all that the rapist should get off easier than the aborted baby, and certainly not any easier than the woman who lives with the knowledge of the crime for the rest of her life...the same should be for the rapist...in prison.

    What is relevent, however, is the flawed story, flaws which do not necessarily terminate with the arrival at the ED.

    And with the very real possibility that someone has misrepresented the circumstances of the crime lends itself to the possibility that the facts about the ED visit may also be inconsistent. And these elements were also included in the news story, so I'm not sure what exempts them from discussion.
    And yet, you keep suggesting she's lying.

    In any case that's irrelevant. She should have been informed of all of her options by someone in that ED, regardless of what "the community" believes.
  8. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from Shamira Aizza
    That is absolutely not the intended implication. Noone ever deserves this crime and I believe rape should be punished with life-time incarceration, and that the rapist should be executed if it results in a pregnancy which is terminated by abortion. You may think I'm kidding, but I don't believe at all that the rapist should get off easier than the aborted baby, and certainly not any easier than the woman who lives with the knowledge of the crime for the rest of her life...the same should be for the rapist...in prison.

    What is relevent, however, is the flawed story, flaws which do not necessarily terminate with the arrival at the ED.

    And with the very real possibility that someone has misrepresented the circumstances of the crime lends itself to the possibility that the facts about the ED visit may also be inconsistent. And these elements were also included in the news story, so I'm not sure what exempts them from discussion.
    And yet, you keep suggesting she's lying.

    In any case, that's irrelevant. She should have been informed of all of her options by someone in that ED, regardless of what "the community" believes.
  9. by   Shamira Aizza
    Quote from gauge14iv
    She can do what she wants as long as it is legal. Abortion happens to be legal - whether your or I agree with it or not. Heroin and the sale of organs aren't legal. It doesn't mean people won't try it anyway, but there are consequences outlined in the laws if she gets caught at it.
    Now that we've got that figured out, the issue is resolved; as long as it's legal, regardless of whether or not anyone agrees.

    What this physician chose to do was legal. Pure and simple.
  10. by   PANurseRN1
    Too bad for the pt. that it was totally unethical. Oh well, at least his standing in "the community" is still golden, even if his pts. are at risk of being treated based on his morals.
  11. by   KScott
    Quote from Shamira Aizza
    Now that we've got that figured out, the issue is resolved; as long as it's legal, regardless of whether or not anyone agrees.

    What this physician chose to do was legal. Pure and simple.
    Ah, touche'! And so, now we know, legality isn't always the only criteria to use when deciding between "right" and "wrong." However, it's often all we have. The law seems to be a double-edged sword most times. Luckily, it is a dynamic entity. Otherwise, we would still be burning witches.
  12. by   pat1960
    You said she can do whatever she wants with her body you didn't mention anything about legal but now your story and facts change. We'll what the doctor did was perfectly legal so you have no argument and I am glad to see you agree with his decision since it was perfectly legal.

    Pat



    Quote from gauge14iv
    She can do what she wants as long as it is legal. Abortion happens to be legal - whether your or I agree with it or not. Heroin and the sale of organs aren't legal. It doesn't mean people won't try it anyway, but there are consequences outlined in the laws if she gets caught at it.
  13. by   VivaLasViejas
    Once again, this thread is getting too heated, and posters continue to debate and attack each other instead of the topic.

    Closing this thread for staff review.

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