Pandemic Flu - Thread II - page 25

Frist calls for a Manhatten Project: We are so..., you know. He is telling it like it is. Does anyone really understand this? There is nothing that we can do but prepare, but no one is... Read More

  1. by   indigo girl
    Indonesia and Vietnam and H5N1 - Essay from the Reveres/Effect Measure:

    http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasur...s_win.php#more
  2. by   Simplepleasures
    Hi Indigo girl, I thought you might be interested to know that on the LTC/Geriatric Forum , there is a thread called "State Survey Begins", CapeCod Mermaid posted that the state surveyors in her state, Massachusetts, are especially interested in Emergency Preparedness stuff, hmmm...
  3. by   indigo girl
    Quote from ingelein
    Hi Indigo girl, I thought you might be interested to know that on the LTC/Geriatric Forum , there is a thread called "State Survey Begins", CapeCod Mermaid posted that the state surveyors in her state, Massachusetts, are especially interested in Emergency Preparedness stuff, hmmm...
    Of course, there are other types of emergencies, and I think that it is great that they are looking at emergency preparedness though I am not fond of surveys, myself. If they were specifically interested in pandemic flu preparation, I think that they would have asked the facility about their specific plans regarding this.

    The state that I work in has a LTC Pandemic Flu Policy which is in the infection control manual in the facilities. Now, I have seen very little actual planning taking place in these facilities. There is one corporation that
    has fitted all of their nurses with N95 masks, and they run several nursing homes. But, that is all that I have seen.

    There is no training nor any educational seminars offered in this subject. Look around, and you will find nothing targeted at nurses specifically yet we will be providing the care. You have to go outside of the nursing world to get information and training. This is very unlike what my friend in Northern Ireland has available to her nursing staff.

    There is a big, big reality gap here. Plans at the state level are fine, but they can not implement them without the nurses. We have no seat at the table in this planning, and there is no implementation of these plans. Will you work in a facility where your only protection is a gauze mask, and there is only one set of goggles per nurses station? That is what I am seeing. That is the reality in nursing homes, and drug rehab facilities right now. It may seem very far away from our lives, this virus, but it really is not. H5N1 is already on this continent in the wild bird population. It is here, but not in its highly pathogenic form is the fairy tale they tell us. Let me remind you though, that EVERYWHERE ELSE in the world, the highly pathogenic form of H5N1 was found prior to the low path form. Please keep this in mind, because that is the reality of its history.

    If no one is willing to step up to the plate, and question their facilities, their unions, and their state boards about the PPE needed to protect themselves, then NOTHING will get done to prepare. Sadly because of the shortsightedness of those in charge of your safety, you will be at risk. Please, start making some noise. Only large numbers of us, together will make a difference.

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    Last edit by indigo girl on Jan 9, '07
  4. by   indigo girl
    OK, I am being told that there are plans to speak with nursing homes about their pandemic flu policies in the state that I work in. This, of course will all take time. I wonder how much time do we have? We are talking private employers having to shell out some bucks for PPE, and educating the educators. How long will all of this take?

    I have edited out the name of the state. I am not trying to be adversarial.
    I really want to work with the state, and I really want us to be protected. That is the bottom line for me. We all have to work together on this, and that means we have to be reading from the same sheet of music.

    I am also told that panflu may not mean avian flu. Yes, I know. However, the consensus is that this virus is a serious contender. You have to tell people, in particular the nurses, the age groups of the current victims. It is not the same as for seasonal flu. They need to know this. It serves no purpose to keep them in the dark about this.
    Last edit by indigo girl on Jan 9, '07
  5. by   indigo girl
    This is a very cool site:
    (hat tip curevents.com/Mimi52)
    RSOE HAVARIA Emergency and Disaster Information Service
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    China has reported an avian flu case, age 37, AFTER his release from the hospital. They wonder why we have trouble believing them? But at least the patient survived. Perhaps that is the only reason that we are hearing about it:
    Human bird flu case reported in Anhui
    Last edit by indigo girl on Jan 9, '07
  6. by   indigo girl
    The 14 year old in Indonesia has died of multi-organ failure:
    BBC NEWS | World | Asia-Pacific | Indonesian boy dies of bird flu

    How Do We Respond to Pandemics - Video (over one hour)

    ScribeMedia How Do We Respond to Pandemics and Are We Prepared?
    Last edit by indigo girl on Jan 10, '07
  7. by   blueandred2921
    I learned about the avian flu in school and it is and will be a serious probleme when the virus does alter, and is transmitted from human to human, My professor told me it might take a few years but it will happen, this is scary. BUt i was told that it mighht take three to four months till they find a vaccine, and while a vaccine is being made, if i remember i think my professor told me millions of people with die. The virus can be transmitted through the mucus membranes of the body (in think i used the wrong word mucus?)
  8. by   indigo girl
    Quote from blueandred2921
    I learned about the avian flu in school and it is and will be a serious probleme when the virus does alter, and is transmitted from human to human, My professor told me it might take a few years but it will happen, this is scary. BUt i was told that it mighht take three to four months till they find a vaccine, and while a vaccine is being made, if i remember i think my professor told me millions of people with die. The virus can be transmitted through the mucus membranes of the body (in think i used the wrong word mucus?)
    I think that your professor is correct. That is why we want to be wearing
    N95 masks as well as goggles when we are within 3 feet of these patients

    Our latest information is showing that the virus is becoming more transmissible like a seasonal flu. The recent fatalities in a specific area of Egypt for the most recent season are revealing a case fatality ratio of 100%. That is shocking, I know. In the first case that died from this same region a few months ago, the viral sequences showed that the virus had acquired a region of identity with a seasonal flu, influenza B which could make it more transmissible. The recent three fatalities from the same region in Egypt are supposedly showing a NEW change in the receptor binding domaine which would also makes it EVEN MORE transmissible. ADDITIONALLY, there is the very strong concern that this strain is Tamiflu resistant. The 15 year old victim died even though Tamiflu was started within 24 hours of symptoms.

    Our PPE is very, very important. It is all we have.

    Thank you for your reply.
    Last edit by indigo girl on Jan 11, '07
  9. by   CrunchRN
    Thaks for the updates Indigo Girl. I work at a University and plan to ask our safety officer what we are doing as a state entity to prepare. We are not a hospital, but since we educate physicians and PA's and have a clinic also we certainly have a vested interest. Well.........acutally everyone does.
  10. by   indigo girl
    H5N1 has reappeared in Japan - Commentary from Recombinomics:
    http://www.recombinomics.com/News/01...apan_2007.html

    South Korea has an asymptomatic human case:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...fer=healthcare
    Last edit by indigo girl on Jan 11, '07
  11. by   indigo girl
    Quote from CrunchRN
    Thaks for the updates Indigo Girl. I work at a University and plan to ask our safety officer what we are doing as a state entity to prepare. We are not a hospital, but since we educate physicians and PA's and have a clinic also we certainly have a vested interest. Well.........acutally everyone does.
    If you need assistance with that talk, feel free to pick our brains over at the flu blogs. Lots of helpful nurses over there, who are thinking these things thru and willing to share insights. It does help to have input from others.
  12. by   indigo girl
    Here is information on the 2007 CIDRAP Pandemic Flu Business Preparedness Seminar. The guest list is a who's who of famous names and influential people in the pandemic influenza planning world. I am linking to curevents.com because it is easier, and I am sure my friend, Fredness, over there, would not mind a bit:
    http://www.curevents.com/vb/showpost...64&postcount=1

    http://www.curevents.com/vb/showpost...69&postcount=2

    I am trying to attend this conference, and it looks like it is possible for me to do so, MAYBE...

    Anyone else want to go? The author, John Barry, of "The Great Influenza" fame, is going to be there!!! I'm such a groupie when it comes to this stuff. I admit it, I want his autograph! I sure hope that I can go to this, so many interesting people there. Just look at the list of speakers!!
    Last edit by indigo girl on Jan 11, '07
  13. by   indigo girl
    For anyone who wants to attend, here is a link to register. It's not cheap.
    I wonder if there are continuing education credits? I'll have to call and ask as I can always use these.
    https://programs.regweb.com/metro/ci...e=registration

    What if your hospital or organization were to send you? How cool would that be? To hear some of these people speak, I'm sorry, this is very exciting for me. As my father always said, "to each his own", whatever that meant...
    I know, it's crazy, but this is what it takes to get me excited! Go figure...
    Last edit by indigo girl on Jan 12, '07

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