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Dec 14, '06Joined: Dec '02; Posts: 41,761; Likes: 48,081Gromit - my husband drive a logging truck. He knows how you feel trying to drive in the city - he at one time also drove a hay truck and delivered to San Francisco.
I was actually thinking about things like a Philly Cheese Steak when I thought of food that is particular to a city. New York has its own fair share of great food. And lots of food that isn't necessarily good for you. And I just can't see New Yorkers (or any Americans) putting up with the gov coming in and taking away their right to eat what the heck they want.
And how to police such a law in the first place?
The truth is, a person cannot change bad habits by being forced.
I love authentic mexican food. My brother-in-law is hispanic and he is a great cook and the best tasting refried beans are fried in LARD. You'd be hardpressed to get him to change his cooking style.
Epiphany - I am sorry you feel that your position is being unfairly attacked. My impression was we were having a conversation.
Dec 14, '06Occupation: RN, ER Case management, precertification. Specialty: ICU-Stepdown ; Joined: Dec '02; Posts: 862; Likes: 53Well actually policing it is simple enough. They will levy hefty fines when they catch the restaurant not following the 'New York Health Food Act' (or whatevery they called it) -and that would be as simple as inspecting the kitchen during business hours. And I don't think it would be too hard to impliment. They do it incrimentally (like government does everything else. Lets take gun laws for example. Floridians would riot in the streets if we had the same degree of restrictions that New Yorkers have. But you don't go out and do it outright. You chip away at it, and a few years down the road you realize THEN how far things actually went. Government has gained control over far more of our lives than it was over the lives of our grandparents when they were our age. Doesn't happen overnight.
Yeah, I ran for Werner Enterprises, hauled refrigerated trailers (53 footers), when I got off the 'big road', I began driving bulk fuel (tankers) and mostly hauled #6 bunker oil to phosphate mines (for fuel in their kilns, usually). It was nasty smelly hot work, but I'd get started at about 4:30am so I could get done at about 3:30-4pm and get home, shower and dash to school (grin. No way would I have gone to class w/o showering -it would have cleared the room. Some of our product had a uh, distinctive, odor. hehe. )
Used to hit the LA Basin from time to time -we had a big company yard in Fontana. Overall, my favorite 'big city' was definately Chicago. Couldn't really say why -I just always enjoyed going there. I'd love to take an assignment there one day. I always liked hitting Chicago when baseball season was in -especially on game-days. You would see kids selling roasted peanuts (in the shell) in 50-cent bags (I'd forgotten they still made those little paper sacks) -I'd pull on the airhorns to get their attention, and buy ten bags (usually their total load at the time), and munch on peanuts all the way down to Missouri Brings back some pretty good memories. Thanks for jogging my memory earlier
One thing about trucking, it does kind of get in the blood. Now and then I think about driving. Have a friend who owns his own, he is leased to JBHunt -we were talking about it about a week ago -about maybe next year taking a month off from work and driving with him for a few weeks. I still have my CDL-A with doubles/tripples/tanks and hazmat endorsements (motorcycle also)
Dec 14, '06Joined: Jul '03; Posts: 2,937; Likes: 2,388Banning most trans fats from restaurants does not mean that soon the government will be barging into your house to confiscate unhealthy foods. The slippery slope argument works both ways. So let's stick to the issue - banning trans fats, yes or no.
In this specific case, there are alternatives to trans fats for most dishes. It's not taking away food choices from consumers and since it would affect all restaurants it doesn't disadvantage individual restaurants. If costs go up for some due to change of ingredients, it would soon level out and costs would come down for those ingredients since there'd be more demand. No specific foods are being banned, so consumers still have the full field of choices, including unhealthy ones.
If there are clearly more healthy alternatives available, why not speed up the adoptation of those healthier options through regulation? People are slow to change. Organizations are slower. This seems like a simple way speed up a healthy change.
Dec 14, '06Occupation: RN, ER Case management, precertification. Specialty: ICU-Stepdown ; Joined: Dec '02; Posts: 862; Likes: 53By that same token, why not just start up your own restaurant that offers only the healthy alternatives, and see where the people go. I'm sorry, but I'm just not a proponent of yet more government regulations. The other name for this kind of behavior is "social engineering". It kind of flies in the face of freedom, actually, when you take away the choices by mandating what you believe is better for everyone else.
No, I just don't want the government playing nanny. I would much rather see the market decide. If people want to eat more healthy foods, they will. By that same token, nobody ever got healthy eating at fast food restaurants. They certainly didn't help themselves when they order up the 'extra large' or 'biggie size' versions of their meals.
I recall about 10 years ago when the "health police" lobbied and finally managed to force the movie industry (theaters) to quit using coconut oil to pop popcorn. The alternatives aren't bad, but they aren't as good as 'the real thing'. Eventually, people got used to it (mainly because they had no choice). What did it serve? What idiot thought they were going to get healthy foods at a movie theater? If carrot sticks would sell, they would sell them.
I guess I'm just sick and tired of the social engineering that these arrogant folks insist on pushing on us because in their eyes its justifiable for "our own good".
All I have to say to them is: BUTT OUT!
Dec 15, '06Joined: Sep '01; Posts: 16,606; Likes: 680Quote from spacenurseAmen! Amen! Amen! I think I would have left nursing altogether had the smoking ban not been placed.I am very glad I no longer have to inhale second hand smoke in the break room, hospital cafeteria, and even the nurses station in order to work as a bedside nurse.
Dec 15, '06Joined: Sep '01; Posts: 16,606; Likes: 680The more the government controls, the less freedom we - the people - will have. Change starts with taking over little by little. Before we know it, we won't know what hit us as a free country. Can anyone else smell "communism" rearing its ugly head into this country? :trout: The only fat that needs banning is how fat the heads of government are getting...taking control of everything...reminding us that we are but "wittle folk" in the massive scheme of things. Bah Humbug! :flamesonb Who will call 911 :redlight: on the government police force taking over our freedom in this country wittle by wittle????? :trout:
Dec 16, '06Occupation: School Nurse Specialty: 2 year(s) of experience in school nursing ; From: US ; Joined: Apr '05; Posts: 151; Likes: 12The powers that be simply want us in the best possible health - so we are good candidates for them to use as organ donors as their need arises. That way they can live rich - and we get harvested for our organs. Fight for your freedom - shake off the yolk of our oppressors - and pass the ketchup - I want some fries!:spin:
Dec 16, '06Occupation: RN, ER Case management, precertification. Specialty: ICU-Stepdown ; Joined: Dec '02; Posts: 862; Likes: 53I SAW that movie!
Dec 16, '06Occupation: School Nurse Specialty: 2 year(s) of experience in school nursing ; From: US ; Joined: Apr '05; Posts: 151; Likes: 12Quote from GromitYes - I did too - and I bet you also saw George Orwell's 1984 - and here we are with cameras on every lamp post and the government looking into our homes thru our Web Cams and listening to our phone conversations. Oh yes - and lets not forget the lottery being the "only way out" of poverty - and for most the fast and furious way back into debt. And yes - the never ending wars half way across the world to keep our young and intellegent offspring population controlled while justifying ever higher taxes. Yes - science fiction of yesterday is fact of life today. Buck Rodgers (now we have the space shuttle, microwave oven, defib machines). Watch and see - the future is now!I SAW that movie!
Dec 16, '06Well, I really rather prefer to look at and relate to the Star Trek sci-fi as opposed to the bleaker outlook of some of yesteryears writers. For all the conspiracy theorists out there who prefer to see the bad, I choose to look at the good and hope for better futures.
Its my way, in any case.
Dec 16, '06Joined: Dec '06; Posts: 20How can this be a bad thing? These products are known to cause disease. There are healthier alternatives. You can still eat whatever you want, it will just be prepared differently. They only use them to increase the shelf life - no wonder the restaurants oppose the ban if it means it will cost them more to not leave products on the shelf for as long. Heart disease is the leading cause of death in the western world - this can potentially reduce it.
The conspiracy theorists are really quite amusing though.
Dec 16, '06Occupation: School Nurse Specialty: 2 year(s) of experience in school nursing ; From: US ; Joined: Apr '05; Posts: 151; Likes: 12Quote from GromitThe Doctor gave me a pill - and I grew a new kidney! (Star Trek - original episode). It would be nice - but I would not want to be a nurse in that future - the Docs still take all the credit while the Nurses do the grunt work! I want a future that is different! LOL!Well, I really rather prefer to look at and relate to the Star Trek sci-fi as opposed to the bleaker outlook of some of yesteryears writers. For all the conspiracy theorists out there who prefer to see the bad, I choose to look at the good and hope for better futures.
Its my way, in any case.
Dec 17, '06Perhaps. But on more than one occassion dr McCoy did reference how much he needed Nurse Chapel (though granted, eventually, she did become a doctor -and I know precious few nurses who intend to follow that route (I certainly don't). But I was also referring to all the wonderful toys they had that aided in diagnosing and healing -and of course the more realistic view that was contrary to many sci-fi themese of the day, they had not cured all disease -but had of course, made great strides.