Nursing: The 10 Hardest Jobs To Fill In America - page 3
Source: Forbes Magazine, 06.03.09 The 10 Hardest Jobs To Fill In America If you're looking for work in any of these fields, you're in luck. Full Article: The reporter should have... Read More
Jun 6, '09Joined: Oct '04; Posts: 2,334; Likes: 3,476Boy, is that title misleading.
Unfortunately, it doesn't address the working conditions of nurses that
just might lead to the reason why some jobs may be hard to fill.
Jun 6, '09Occupation: ED RN Specialty: Emergency Dept, M/S ; Joined: Jan '04; Posts: 1,462; Likes: 104Anoro, you made some VERY good points regarding schedules, and the ACTUAL staff there on any given shift. I have often wondered why any governing board/legal advisor would take an actual schedule and accept that as to what staffing was that shift.
What they should do is COMPARE the shift schedule and the actual list of staff that badged/punched/clocked in.
To address the original post, I applied at over 200 places as a new grad - online mostly, but also with a paper resume and in-person - and was offered exactly two jobs. Both were PRN and both in SNF. I even got my license for surrounding states, but to no avail. I ended up relocating to another part of the country to find work.
I know now that I was looking at all of it through rose-colored glasses. I never imagined that with great letters of recommendation and graduating with a 3.9, and of coursing having it drilled into us for 4 years that RN's are SO NEEDED and in such short supply, that I would have an ounce of trouble finding work. It was so hard leaving my family and friends, but I'm ultimately very glad I did. Not everyone though has the "luxury" to be able to do that, and I still wish I'd been able to find work as a new grad in New England.
Jun 6, '09Joined: Sep '06; Posts: 933; Likes: 1,088The Forbes article doesn't address any of the issues surrounding nursing jobs because, as I noted in my letter to the editor, all the reporter effectively did was take a quarterly press release from Manpower and slap her byline on it. (No doubt Manpower was thrilled by the free advertising -- its agenda was satisfied.) Had she spent even two minutes on Google, she would have seen how many new grads are having trouble finding jobs. And had she she spent 10 minutes on Google, she'd have found the HRSA reports that detail why so many veterans have walked off the job.
If you haven't fired off a letter to Forbes, please consider doing so. The nursing profession will not receive accurate media coverage unless nurses start speaking up in large numbes. The address is firstname.lastname@example.org.
Jun 6, '09Joined: Jun '09; Posts: 279; Likes: 854TeacherFirst---I have no idea what a nurse instructor makes, but I can gather from your post that it ain't enough!! And that is really unfortunate-----I wonder what a college professor makes---but I can tell you that regular teachers in my area are making six figures after they get tenured, along with benefits and having summers off!!! To have to work a 2nd job to supplement an instructor's pay is sad. And, considering you are required to have a Master's Degree it is really a bogus situation.
Yes, nursing has its "rewards", but I find it has much less rewards than it used to have, when you were able to actually get to know a patient's family and network of friends, you could actually "teach" them and saw them through their illness and into their recovery. Now, you run around, throw up a few IV bags, throw some meds into their face, do a WHOLE MESS of paperwork, then take their IV out, have them sign a piece of paper that says you gave them discharge instructions and get them out the door before their insurance time is done and the hospitals doesn't have to absorb one extra minute of an admission without being paid.
Nurses are leaving the profession in droves, moving on to other things where they aren't physically enhausted and mentally spent after a day's work. You don't have to dread going to work for fear of hearing who called in sick and how they can't cover the sick call and how you have to now take 3 more patients in addition to your normal patient load. You don't have to dread going to work because you have to deal with a nurse manager's criticism about how you filled out your papers and didn't check the box about the patient's sexual habits in your admission assessment. You don't have to dread going to work and being yelled at by a patient because they had to wait 2 hours for a pain pill because the pharmacy hasn't been up to re-fill the OmniCell yet.
Everything in health care and medicine has turned into this micro-managed, business-type environment----very little has to do with "care" anymore.
And, yes, I still have to LAUGH OUT LOUD at the whole "Magnet Recognition" crap. So, some places get "recognized" because the managers are running around trying to meet the Magnet "criteria"?? Do you think that ANYBODY in normal society knows what "Magnet Status" is---and furthermore, do you think they give 2 ***** about it? What they care about is if they have to go to the hospital, they don't wait in the ED for 6 hours before they are seen, and they get their pain meds on time, and that the nurses are nice to them. They couldn't care less about the "Magnet"!! Hospitals that have "nurse governance" is also crap----very little of what the nurses consider important doesn't get past the unit doors, never mind making policy change. The only policy change that occurs in hospitals now is what will increase $$$$ coming into the hospital's bank account. QUALITY doesn't matter---QUANTITY does.
It is very unfortunate that the public has no idea what really goes on behind those doors.
Jun 6, '09Joined: Oct '05; Posts: 3,336; Likes: 2,626Quote from jaflosaGlad to hear all is well in Texas, there was a recent article posted here were a Texas hospital was noted to be a very high utilizer of Medicare services with very poor patient outcomes. I wonder if most of the hospitals in Texas follow suit. If they do it the Federal Government will be clamping down, if it isn't evidence based the won't be paying for the services. I just mention this because Medicare is level funding and looking at outcomes.To be honest I did not know that nurses were having a hard time finding a job. I live in the Houston TX area and there are pages and pages of ads for nurses. The hospital almost fight over the new graduates and offers many incentives for recruitment and retention. I did not even apply for the last three jobs that I have had but was seeked out by the recruiter and thse were staff positions. I am very surprised and sorry to hear of the shortage in other areas of the country.
Jun 6, '09Joined: Jun '09; Posts: 279; Likes: 854anoro, Your post almost brought tears to my eyes. The back rub issue? I am lucky to be able to remember those days---in fact, the father of my sister-in-law's sister's husband (got that? LOL), Bless his heart because he is no longer with us, used to ALWAYS say at holiday family gatherings that he will never forget me because I always used to give him the best backrubs when he was in the hospital before he went to sleep, and that my backrubs were the only thing that helped him relax and get to sleep while being cooped up in a bed all day and all night. I remember teaching patients how to care for their fresh ostomies (now, they get sent home and a visiting nurse comes to the house when they get a chance) and not discharging them until they could show me they knew what to do, not to mention sitting with them and wiping away their tears when they first discovered the plastic bag attached to their abdomen after surgery. I remember teaching patients how to give themselves insulin and to test their blood sugar. I remember walking my patients around the unit after their surgery, stopping so they could rest and catch a breath and continue on. I remember when mothers used to stay in the hospital for several days after childbirth, and nurses taught them how to change a diaper, how to swaddle their newborn, how to breastfeed, even how to hold their new baby. Now, women have to be out in 36 hours----hell, some women are in labor for more than 36 hours!!!
Nurses no longer have the time to do any of these things anymore. Things like this aren't even taught in nursing school anymore. Things have definitely become more complicated and involved, and people are sicker. You would seem to think in light of this, MORE nurses would be needed, not less. You would seem to think that instead of figuring how to run a hospital on as FEW nurses as possible, that a hospital would want to put as many nurses as they could to provide that individual and personalized care that we would all want if we were patients. Hell no. Hire fewer nurses, hire more administrators and admit more patients and get them out as fast as you possibly can!! QUANTITY, QUANTITY, QUANTITY!!
I firmly stand behind my "theory" about the subsidy money and the cry from places about the "nursing shortage", and the monies being spent on things that are completely unrelated to nursing----like valet parking!!! That is one thing that always makes me shake my head---valet parking. The thing is though, many hospitals have "expanded" and "built-on" to their existing buildings that they have invaded the parking lots that used to be within walking distance to the entrance----but now you have to park your car in the next county!!
And, yes---I realize that if you open your mouth and "protest", then you have sent ripples through the hospital sea and many times, retaliation is imminent-----so most nurses take it, swallow it and ***** and moan to each other. The simple fact that you are retaliated against for your concern about patient safety is disgraceful, but that also goes with my statements about the administrators being MBA's and not having one single iota of experience with actual patient care----just because they successfuly ran a Fortune 500 company DOES NOT mean they can successfuly run a hospital!! But for some reason, hospitals find it necessary to put on the front page of the newspaper the fact that they just hired someone who successfully managed a Fortune 500 company and made them a fortune. But---at what price? I am sure they are taking money away from the nursing budget to pay this person, because God knows they wouldn't work for a "normal" salary. So, who suffers? Nurses suffer in their pocketbooks, and patients are the ultimate sufferers. Dude, you may have an MBA from Wharton, and you may wear custom designed suits and Italian loafers, but do you have any idea what it means to listen to heart sounds and decifer between a lub and a dub? Have you ever turned and positioned someone every hour because their sacrum is red? Have you ever experienced the joy of a new mother when she finally pushes that child out of her womb, or the sorrow of being there when a baby is born still? Have you ever had to question a physician's orders and have them lash out at you because they can hardly believe, in their infinte wisdom and perfection, that they made a MISTAKE??? I would put down everything I owned on the fact that they hadn't. But they sure know how to perform some financial analyzation on the "waste" that they think is happening in the place.
And the bottom line is that, as nurses, we HAVE to accept it, or we don't have a job. "Trouble-makers" and "thorns" are quickly weeded out, and presented with false reasons that they aren't a "good fit".
The bean counters and money crunchers seem to have all the answers, and they have managed to deceive everyone into believing that there is a "shortage of nurses" by their endless ads in newspapers, trade journals and internet postings. The public eats it up and then forgives the hospitals for the mediocre care that they received during their admission because "they are so short staffed". The reason hospitals are short-staffed is because they have chosen to run their facility like that---it has nothing to do with any "shortage" or lack of nurses. There's plenty of nurses, trust me.
Jun 6, '09Occupation: CST Specialty: OR ; Joined: May '09; Posts: 262; Likes: 154Well stop hiring OVER SEAS nurses and hire some people who need a job here and who were born raised and educated here in America . Why are we being passed up so often its terrible we should have first priority on jobs in our own country!!!!
Jun 6, '09Joined: Sep '07; Posts: 158; Likes: 120We should be writing Forbes. Helloo the real story is... see if they will print the truth
Jun 6, '09Joined: Dec '08; Posts: 162; Likes: 214Well it seems that the reporter never checked any of her facts and never interviewed actual workers. She is being blasted not only by nurses but also by engineers, teachers and IT workers for getting her facts WRONG.
I do wonder how much advertising space Manpower took out with Forbes. After all, having worked previously in the publishing industry myself, it's all about selling ad space and achieving the target $$$ goal.
The worst part? This was just not in Forbes but made the front page of Yahoo's website.
Jun 6, '09Joined: Sep '06; Posts: 933; Likes: 1,088I doubt Manpower bought any ad space in Forbes. It didn't have to. It got the ad for free by virtue of the article.
I was a journalist for 20+ years before taking the plunge into nursing. I routinely received quarterly press releases from Manpower. They went right into the circular file. If I want to know anything about hiring trends or unemployment, I call a neutral analyst at the state or federal Department of Labor, not a company with an agenda. This kind of "reporting" in Forbes is a pathetic trend in journalism. It's the epitome of laziness. The sad part is, readers are given false impressions, and the professions mentioned in the article are ill served.
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Jun 6, '09Joined: Apr '08; Posts: 34; Likes: 23Quote from ohmyloveOMG people. Please read this post before commenting!! The article says that nursing is 1 of 10 "Hardest Jobs to Fill" meaning that they AREN'T full and they NEED more nurses. This article is stating a SHORTAGE of educators and graduates. There will always be a high demand for nurses in our lifetime- unless they find some crazy machine to replace us...Is it really that hard to get a job as an RN right now?
Jun 6, '09Occupation: Registered Nurse Specialty: 5 year(s) of experience in Tele/PCU/ICU/Stepdown/HH Case Management ; From: US ; Joined: Feb '08; Posts: 186; Likes: 178Quote from coogaboogaomg people. please read this post before commenting!! the article says that nursing is 1 of 10 "hardest jobs to fill" meaning that they aren't full and they need more nurses. this article is stating a shortage of educators and graduates. there will always be a high demand for nurses in our lifetime- unless they find some crazy machine to replace us...
actually, i would suggest that you read all of the posts throughly, before responding. we realize that the article states that there is a shortage. there is no shortage of graduates. we cannot find jobs!
Jun 6, '09Joined: Apr '08; Posts: 34; Likes: 23Quote from patchouliright, but this doesn't negate the fact that there still are jobs our there for nurses. it doesn't specify new grads because new grads cost money and time for training purposes. there are thousands of jobs for experienced nurses, thus, making it a hard job to fill.actually, i would suggest that you read all of the posts throughly, before responding. we realize that the article states that there is a shortage. there is no shortage of graduates. we cannot find jobs!