Nursing Student Blog Lawsuit - page 3

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  1. by   Atheos
    Quote from SharonH, RN
    Right. I understand that, I guess I didn't get my point across.
    Maybe I misunderstood. I think in any case the HIPAA issue will be what nails her.
  2. by   SharonH, RN
    Quote from multicollinearity
    The blog entry described a pregnant woman the student worked with. Anyone who works in that ER now knows exactly who that blog entry was about.

    You don't sound like you understand HIPAA very well. Are you a nurse or nursing student?

    On an unrelated note - this student's blog entry exposed the university to civil liability as well. The woman who was violated by this entry now has standing to sue. That's not even to mention the moral/ethical issues.

    Additionally, anyone who knows Mrs. Smith who is 31, and has a degree in psychology, and whose husband left her for another woman after 6 years of marriage and who got sick after she went home to Louisville to visit her mother didn't really go into the hospital because she had a stomach virus but for attempted suicide.
  3. by   Multicollinearity
    Quote from libnat
    I quoted from what was in the article I posted. I didn't check her blog.
    Well go to myspace and look it up. I think you'll see what I'm talking about.

    To the other person who asked how to find it - just go to and search "Nina Yoder" under the people tab. You'll see a Nina Yoder in Kentucky. Then click on her journal entry "How I Witnessed the Miracle of Life." I don't have a myspace account, and I could see it just fine.
  4. by   DeLana_RN
    Yes, she has the First Amendment right to say what she did, after all this isn't a police state (yet). However, I think she does violate the nursing school's code of conduct, and certainly HIPAA. In fact, her judgement is so poor that she didn't remove her MySpace page (or made it private, if that's possible) even after she was dismissed - or at least deleted the controversial entry/entries!

    She may have the right to write anything she wants... but I sure wouldn't want someone like her (prejudiced, etc.) as my nurse, or that of one of my family members.

  5. by   FireStarterRN
    Quote from multicollinearity
    By reading the news story, I was fired up that this might be a really serious violation of the nursing student's first amendment rights. Then it occured to me that universities tend to be staffed by smart people who know what they are doing. So I went to Myspace and found Nina Yoder's page. (It's easy to find - just search by her name.)

    According to her entry on her Myspace, as a part of her OB rotation, she was assigned to find a pregnant woman and follow that woman's care and delivery. She says she did that, and that this pregnant woman was someone she worked with in an ER. She then goes on to describe the labor and delivery of this woman's baby in disrespectful and disgusting terms.

    Imagine how this woman would feel to know her delivery experience that she was so kind to let a student in on was described this way, publicly, on the internet. This was a violation because the woman in the entry is identifiable.
    This post says it all. This woman doesn't deserve to be in a nursing program. She will not be reinstated and she won't win her case.

    I've heard of cases like this and the students have lost. You can also lose your job for behaving like this. The woman is a fool.
  6. by   wooh
    Of course she has a right to free speech, and she isn't being arrested. She doesn't have a right to say whatever she wants without having to face the consequences of her words and actions.
  7. by   azhiker96
    Quote from libnat
    creative use of language, she was an army medic so probably has a track record of giving care to all kinds of people.
    I was an army medic and they didn't teach racism when I went through the training.

    I take care of all kinds of people rich, poor, obese, cachectic, professional, addict, laborer, child, citizen, foreign. I don't feel the need to belittle any of them either in front of or behind their backs.
  8. by   Aoretta
    Hello all, and welcome to my first opinionated posting:

    When I went to Cedar Crest College, as part of our final course, we were asked to write a testimonial of sorts about one patient that we had throughout our schooling that taught us something or made us learn something. We were asked to describe the situation and what we did and how it made us better nurses, etc etc. Like writing an essay. Then they took all of these and bound them together and distributed them to all of the people in attendance at our graduation. We were told, no names, no identifying info, etc. And by the way, this was a course requirement, and was very strictly graded.

    OK, so what if one of those books made it in to the hands of someone who was a patient in someone's testimonials? And even though it was a tearfully happy story or neutral-feeling story, maybe that person wouldn't want their story published for all the world to see through the eyes of a graduate nurse? Just because it's a "good" story doesn't make it any more or less of a patient confidentiality issue, no matter that no names were used or not!

    I wouldn't doubt for one minute that other colleges have similar requirements of their students.

    The college is by trying to protect its posterior against a possible defamation lawsuit. Also, if her college is like Cedar Crest was, they have no right to dismiss her based on this...Not every story is a good happy story!

    As to what she said: how would I know who she's talking about? Her comments are a little strong, that is true. I don't think I would have talked this strong in a public setting (though we don't think of myspace as public unless we want to). In fact, if I ever needed to talk like this, to "reduce stress", as she puts it, I would have set this particular entry to protected or private. Such is possible ....and wise (which she no doubt knows now in retrospect).

    Will patients not seek health care because of this? Like everything else in this world, people will get over it. Hopefully, people will understand that everybody needs to destress, and that not every story is a happy story, and that a beautiful event in one's eyes may be hideous in another's. Hopefully, people will understand that we all -ALL OF US - sometimes don't think before we speak.

    Hopefully she won't lose her job because of this.

    Would I want her as my nurse? No. Why? Because, instead of paying attention in class, she was posting on Myspace (she clearly indicates she was in class while writing that entry). At least once. Who knows what she missed during that long post, and who knows how many other classes she blogs while she should be taking notes and paying attention?

    There's probably a lot more going on than we are told. They were probably gunning for her because she was doing poorly or the administration didn't like her. We all know what THAT'S like.

    As a nurse, if I were to post on here the way she posted, would the State Board of Nursing call me up on the carpet for it? Or my employer?
  9. by   FireStarterRN
    I found her page. She's a lousy, disjointed writer, she has unintelligent racist material there, and her site makes me totally unsympathetic to her.

    I'm glad nursing schools are still having a few old fashioned standards. I'm glad they kicked her out, she deserved it.
  10. by   Aoretta
    But how would you like it if you were in nursing school, and one of your instructors knew that your name was FireStarter on this public website, and they dismissed you from school saying "you were a danger to public health and safety"?

    Just speaking as a devil's advocate, mind you. I think dismissing her was going too far. But I still think there's more to it than what we're being told. I think they want to get rid of her because she wasn't paying attention in class, and the instructors knew it.
  11. by   Valerie Salva
    Quote from Atheos
    I can already see the argument.

    She WASN'T interacting with patients, families, peers or faculty...
    Well, it's a kind of an electronic interaction, if you put something out there on the net for the public to see-like a myspace page. The faculty and her peers read it.

    I searched myspace for Nina Yoder and I guess her page has been removed. Does anyone have a copy/paste of what she said?
  12. by   ®Nurse
    I think that Nina Yoder used extremely poor critical thinking skills when she made her blog posting.

    I would not want her to get within ten feet of myself, or within 10 feet of any patient for that matter.

    This woman has breached an ethical line in the sand where a nurse is expected to maintain a patient's dignity, even when the patient is incapable of doing so for themselves.

    Shame on her, for she is a disgrace upon the profession of nursing.
  13. by   Anxious Patient
    Wow. Here she says she brought in a camera and filmed the birth.
    Last Friday I armed myself with a camera, and journeyed to the assigned hospital, where I met my wonderful lady, getting ready to pop. Since it was her third kid, everyone expected her to shoot it out within 30 minutes. She was already getting induced by elephantine dose of Oxytocin (Mmmm, Oxytocin!)

    I took my camera, put it on "Rec" and assumed the position.

    45 minutes later, no baby.

    1 hour 30 minutes later, no baby.

    The anesthesiologist comes in and sets up my girl with an epidural. Having it done is one thing; watching someone else getting it done is another. The doc took out this teeny needle first and numbed her up. Then she took out this huge-ass 10 inch needle and jammed it into her spine!

    I was watching the whole thing, with my face changing expressions like Louis De Funs'. But I guess everything went fine, because my 'mom' was back into position in no time, waiting for the Creep to show up.

    4 hours later she starts to throw up. I jump up, and turn my camera on again, assuming the position of a greyhound, right in between her legs.

    ... no baby.

    5 hours.

    6 hours.

    7 hours
    8 hours later, the nurse comes in, checks the momma, and says, "ok, we're ready to push".

    FINALLY!!! I turn my camera on again. Two more nurses, and a woman doctor come in. They put my momma into a position of American Eagle, prop her up with pillows, and shine bright light at the cooch.

    In the comments section she compares the pain of childbirth with that of a Brazilian wax.
    Last edit by Anxious Patient on Apr 11, '09