Nursing 2006 Salary Survey finds salaries leveling off - page 3

nursing: volume 36(10) october 2006 p 46-51 salary survey cheryl l. mee, rn, bc, cmsrn, msn nursing 2006 editor-in-chief over 1,100 nurses responded to our salary survey published in... Read More

  1. by   nepsys
    I do not know if anyone could conclude 'the gender difference is the basis for the salary difference in nursing'; but I am sure you will get paid less if you do not persue 'aggressive negotiation' in the salary. I work as a computer consultant and I had seen people making anywhere from 40/hr to 150/hr for the similar job.....What can you say ?

    I believe that women are litttle less aggressive when it comes to salary negotiation. That could be the reason for the difference we see here....I am not from the industry but just trying to put my two cents worth...
  2. by   delconurse
    I recently moved to sc from pa and had to take an 11.00 an hour pay cut. I am told cost of living is cheaper here but i dont find that to be the case.The hospital I work for now certainly charges the same so why the difference and what can I do to rally a change/
  3. by   withasmilelpn
    They discourage you from negotiating. A place I really wanted to work for I would've had to take a cut in pay. The recruiter said 'it wouldn't be fair to the the nurses with more seniority'. It was my feeling that 'fair' isn't the issue in the buisness world. I have talked myself into higher pay though other jobs. It does pay to be aggressive, somewhat and market yourself.
  4. by   Sheri257
    Quote from MKZ
    I have been working for four months in a non-unionized hospital in California, I started out at 43.00 dollars/hr. My mortgage is 3500.00 a month. My salary is not sufficient. Nursing is a poorly paid profession. If it was largely a male dominated role, nurses would have been paid alot more a long time ago. And ratios would be a God given right.
    Quote from Bluehair
    $43 an hour??????? And that is poorly paid? Holy smokes! Sounds like the problem is not how much you are paid but how much it costs to live where you are! I make $24/hour but my mortgage is only $650 a month for a 2800 sf house on 1 acre.
    Well ... the problem could also be that some people in California paid too much for their houses at the peak of the housing market.

    I live in California and instead of paying a fortune for a house three years ago I moved out to a cheap area where my mortgage is only $1200 a month fixed, including taxes and homeowners insurance.

    I'll be making $45 an hour, with benefits. I will have to drive 45 minutes to an hour for that money but, for that pay it's worth it ... it's a good $15-$20 an hour more than what I could make closer to home and the benefits are much better also.

    My point is that I don't think nurses are underpaid in California. But, I do think you need to be careful not to lock yourself into a monster mortgage, especially adjustable mortgages that are now getting very expensive with rising interest rates.

    While cost of living can work against you, there are also ways to make the high COL work for you.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Feb 22, '07
  5. by   chubbi
    Quote from MKZ
    I have been working for four months in a non-unionized hospital in California, I started out at 43.00 dollars/hr. My mortgage is 3500.00 a month. My salary is not sufficient. Nursing is a poorly paid profession. If it was largely a male dominated role, nurses would have been paid alot more a long time ago. And ratios would be a God given right.
    You are SOOOO RIGHT!!!!

  6. by   rhino1950
    As nurses we all have to learn to negotiate our salaries. Just because they offer $30/hr does not mean we have to accept it. I am all for equality in wages and always have been, even when I wasn't a nurse. I think nursing schools should offer a course in salary negotiation. Don't be afraid of your future employer. They respect professionalism and confidence. They need us as much as we need them. I do not work for a union but am not opposed to them. My salary is a little above average only because I am not afraid to ask for more.
  7. by   Shamira Aizza
    It's possible men are less afraid to negotiate.

    I have negotiated every wage I've received, starting out with my first full-time nursing job. I also would negotiate my shift to provide options; i.e. if you pay me this much, the only weekend shift I can work is Sunday. For my first nursing job, the interviewer said there was a lot of competition for my job, and some applicants would accept minimum wage just to get their foot in the door; I said they'd get minumum wage work from a minumum wage employee. I got the job.

    I renegotiated my wage again about 3 years later with the same company...successfully. I also would negotiate wages for a particular shift...i.e. they wanted me to work OT a certain day, or transfer to another dept for a shift, then they had to make it work my while. I would require that they pay me for 16 hours of OT even if I was only working 12 hours.

    When I took another job, I interviewed at several places, and made the wage a front-burner issue, and when the offers started coming, I would show them the offers I was receiving and tell them this was a key issue in my decision.

    It will continue to be a determinant; my current employer just eliminated incentive pay for extra shifts. Obviously incentive pay had a encourage people to come to work on their day OFF! Immediately after, the phone started ringing for us to come in and cover shifts; I decided that if there was no need for incentive, then they really didn't have that much need for me to come in. The moment the weekend differential pay is reduced is the moment I walk. That's the way it should be.

    If male RN's are making more, it isn't their fault, and they should not be targeted for aggression...even verbally. And if you think about it, it makes no sense that a female-dominated profession would pay male RN's more money.

    MKZ should be embarrassed about what she wrote; she essentially suggested that women are incapable of advancing nursing as a profession without male dominance in the industry.
    I'm sure that societal inequalities still exsist in certain workplace situations, but it is each nurses responsibility to demand what they feel is right. The issues of pay, hours mandated, ratios, and numerous other working conditions should not be accepted if you are not satisfied with them. We are a highly marketable commodity in todays healthcare market. There are not many places in the country where you could'nt find a new nursing job if you left the one your at today. My point I'm trying to extend is, Nursing has a immense amount of power, but a large percentage of nurses would rather complain about a situation rather than leave their comfort zone and test the market. A drastic change in nursing will need to take place for things to change. We must have self respect for our marketability and be willing to change and demand our worth as professionals.
  9. by   Atl_John
    Well put Shamira, well put. Just because they offer you 16/hr doesn't mean you have to take 16/hr. We are nurses we are worth more, we need to let them know. Hospitals may be run by administrators, but they are "RUN" by nurses.
  10. by   arkierns
    I just have to respond to this assertion that males make more money simply because they are males. One, that is against the law. Two, more questions must be asked before a conclusion can be made. What is the education, tenure and job status of these people reporting their income. Are the responding males getting more differentials (weekend, nights, critical care, etc). Are they staying on the job longer? We do not know the scientific basis for this study. Were enough nurses responding? Was the ratio of males to females accurate? What was the demographics? Too many unanswered questions to get upset.
  11. by   athflvr
    Quote from midlifenewnurse

    I am leaving (I hope) a self employed business of 21 years where I make between 10.00 and 60.00/hour depending on the season and how I bid. I am looking for a job where I can leave it "at the door" when I get home. I also need benefits. How are the benefits?
    Boy I hear ya! My last career was as a day care provider. While my son loved it, it is SOOOO nice to go to work and not have it here - to get a W2 instead of boxes of receipts! There are days (in the pay period I don't work extras) when I feel pretty broke, but for the most part I feel like my $25 an hour is OK. I work in a non-union hospital and the hourly rate is pretty much set by what you do and for how long - not as much as by gender. And in all honesty - I wanted to make a living that would support me and the kids in a newly divorced lifestyle that wouldn't include support. The making a difference was a side benefit and one I've appreciated more than I realized I would. Benefits are OK in the hospital but most of my patients probably have better benefits than I. And when I realized many of my patients thought nurses got free healthcare because they worked in a hospital, it just about made me split my sides. I had to have my ex put the kids back on his insurance!
  12. by   mdavidfnp
    As a male, I was never paid more than a female nurse because the hospital I worked in was a city/county hospital.
    I worked my way up to being a nurse practitioner, then retired early. Now I teach LPNs and RNs at a community college. I make less then I ever did before.
    Nurses who work in pro-union states tend to make more money than non-union states. The higher wages that unions ask for set a trend for the other hospitals around.
    Nurse wages are a big issue because hospitals will set wages at a certain level so they do not have to compete against each other for employee nurses. This has been challenged in courts and is called collusion. Hospitals cry, cry and cry about a shortage. How come the wages are going down if there is a shortage? Collusion.
    The answer: nurses need to stand together and with a strong voice complain to legislators and the public. Complaining to the hospitals has gotten nowhere.
  13. by   GoodAsGoldRN
    Brand new RN grad fresh out of school can start at 43.00 per hour here in Northern California.

    I grew up in the Midwest and worked there for about 5 years as a nurse. I think the pay was around 15.00 top end for the hospital hourly pay at that time. (1996)

    I remember having my radiator freeze on me one morning on the way home from work. Had to sit by the side of the road until the sherriff rescued me.

    I've thrown out my back shoveling 12 foot drifts out of my driveway so that I could get my car out of the garage....only to find that darnit....forgot to plug in the block heater!

    I've put up with the 'old school' doc's expecting me to give my seat up for them while I'm on overtime getting my charting done so that I can rush off to the school and pick up my children waiting out in the cold for Mom.

    There is a reason why the houses are more expensive out here in California.... Which goes hand in hand as to why the wages are higher here as well.

    Keep demanding higher wages. Communicate with your co-workers. An educated nurse is an empowered nurse.