Nurses work enviroment better at Magnet Hospitals


    Linked report said to show that Magnet status leads to a better work enviroment for nurses ( NB the report appeared in the official journal of the Magnet recognition program ), I feel although this may be true , hospitals could achieve the same results simply by nurse management advocating for their patients by working towards the goals of better trained bedside nurses with safe staffing ratios , forgoing the cost of magnet certification , instead using those funds for the better training and larger number of nurses .
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  3. by   VICEDRN
    I will let the authors of the journal article know when I find a nurse in my area who wants to work for the local magnet or magnet pursuing hospitals. They are not considered good places to work in my area!
  4. by   msn10
    Although I can't provide a link to the actual study the abstract said:

    The aim of this study was to determine whether work environments, staffing, and nurse outcomes differ between Magnet and non-Magnet hospitals. A secondary analysis of data from a 4-state survey of 26,276 nurses in 567 acute care hospitals to evaluate differences in work environments and nurse outcomes in Magnet and non-Magnet hospitals was conducted. Magnet hospitals had significantly better work environments (t = -5.29, P < .001) and more highly educated nurses (t = -2.27, P < .001). Magnet hospital nurses were 18% less likely to be dissatisfied with their job (P < .05) and 13% less likely to report high burnout (P < .05). Magnet hospitals have significantly better work environments than non-Magnet hospitals. The better work environments of Magnet hospitals are associated with lower levels of nurse job dissatisfaction and burnout.
  5. by   VICEDRN
    oh...I read the abstract so I know they are claiming that people like working there. What I want to know is do nurses remain at their jobs longer? The abstract is silent on that topic.

    Edited: I reiterate that no nurse I know of wants to work in the ERs of the local magnet and magnet pursuing hospitals.
  6. by   PMFB-RN
    Quote from VICEDRN
    Edited: I reiterate that no nurse I know of wants to work in the ERs of the local magnet and magnet pursuing hospitals.
    *** That is the same where I live. The Magnet hospitals have developed a reputation as not being a good place to work. In particular among critical care / ER types who I talk with on a regular basis.
  7. by   kcmylorn
    I think the only way for the hospitals to improve theeir working envirnment and lessen the dissatisfaction amongst their nurses, is for the top employee(Yes, I mean you MrMs CEO) to stop stuffing his/her pockets and personal bank account with all the profits and put that money back into the system where it belongs.
  8. by   nerdtonurse?
    Whenever I see a study I ask myself 3 questions:
    1) Who funded the study? No idea, but the writer works for a Center that emphasizes Magnet.

    2) Where was it published? It was published in the "October 2011 issue of The Journal of Nursing Administration (JONA), the official journal of the Magnet Recognition Program," per the article. Again, not a likely setting for an unbiased interpretation of the data.

    3) Who (in terms of qualifications) wrote it? The study was written by Linda Aikens, who says on her page: "My policy research agenda is motivated by a commitment to improving health care outcomes by building an evidence base for health services management and providing direction for national policymakers. My Center's program of international outcomes research deals with the impact of modifiable organizational attributes on patient outcomes and workplace stability in hospitals, causes and consequences of, and solutions for, cyclical nurse shortages, and managerial innovations such as magnet hospitals. " So she's not likely to find anything which disagrees with her belief that Magnets are great places to work.
  9. by   brandy1017
    The magnet hospitals in my system have high turnover and they don't mandate, they just work short when they don't have enough staff. So I don't see how it can be better. I don't want to be mandated and this should be outlawed, but the hospitals should be required to staff their hospitals adequately not just short staff to save money. They could offer bonus with voluntary call, contract with agency or travelers. I really get tired of the excuse they can't find staff. I'm sure they could if they would spend the money!
  10. by   UnionRN2
    Magnet hospitals in this area do not have a good reputation amonst nurses.

    This has got to be one of those studies twisted to meet the needs of what the management wants.
  11. by   netglow
    I remember even when I was in college, my last semester, the one class section connected with a magnet hospital was thought of as the "booby prize" section.

    In other words, if you were one nanosecond late in clicking that "enroll now" key on your computer at the college semester enroll date and time, you ended up not in your hospital of choice, but in the magnet hospital. Of course, I ended up in that section. That was the first time I didn't somehow get the section I wanted, so what can ya do.

    True to form, the nurses were ridiculously unhappy there. They didn't hide it from us, either. This hospital also was over 80% foreign nurses at that time, and had become so very quickly. So, on top of the nursing staff being overworked and overstressed in general, you had some of your foreign nursing staff saying stuff like, "why are you here, you will never work here." They told several of us right in front of other staff that the nursing jobs were for them and their relatives who were promised nursing jobs and were waiting to get on a plane to come here.

    Magnet is just a "tool" for, well people who are "tools" IMO.
  12. by   Esme12
    I think the cost of obtaining Magnet Status could be better spent on improving working conditions and job satistfaction as well as the hiring of staff which will also positively directly affect outcomes. Some of the The Cost according to NDNQI (National Database of NUrsing Quality Indicators)estimates in hiring Director of Research, site visit costs, RN replacement scosts to attend meetings, saleries for Profect manager, costs of saleries for consultants, any costs for editors when submitting applications, fees from the ANCC based on the number of beds can be upwards of $600,000 for one year.
  13. by   mmc51264
    Where I live, THE hosp to get a job at IS the magnet. I am a student doing clinical at this hospital and they are wonderful. It is difficult to get a job there and all the units I have been to, the nurses seem very happy. I have not spent any time in ED.
    Obviously, I do not know a tremendous amount about it, but it is what I have experienced.
  14. by   VivaLasViejas
    The single Magnet hospital in my area stinks. Big time. Two of my friends from nursing school who work there say the wages are the only good thing about it; otherwise, they'd leave for better and smaller facilities closer to home, like the hospital I worked in on and off for several years. (The management there went to Hell in a handbasket too, but those things happen everywhere.)

    I deal with their ER on a frequent basis and I DESPISE them---almost to a person, they are incompetent, uncaring, and at times criminally irresponsible IMHO by sending patients home who are too unstable to be discharged. I wouldn't allow my dog to be treated there....then again, of course not, because I love my dog!