Nurses attack 'shameful' training - page 7
SUE Jenkins says there are times when she is almost ashamed to be a nurse. A Queensland nurse with more than two decades of experience, she says she is increasingly witnessing horrific incidents... Read More
May 29, '04Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 175; Likes: 2Quote from DixiediWell, I will be a college educated nurse and I do understand even before entering the program, taht it will be hard and a continual learning process long after I get my license and degree. I know the shifts are long 12+ hour shifts. I also understand about the stresses. I knwo taht I do not have the stress taht I will face but I do know stress. I have 2 pre-schooloers and started this when I had a baby and a toddler. I also go to classes full time at night. I feel burnt already but I will not quit. I love the field and I will love it no matter how hard it gets. Some of us college educated people do know what we are in for and we are willing to plow through and learn and work hard to be good nurses.God! I was beginning to think I am the only one who sees it! Honestly, I really was thinking maybe I should just let it go, but that option just didn't set well. I'm stubborn and when I know I am right, I just can't let it go. I just haven't figured out how to be part of the answer.
Unfortunately, I will probably not be allowed to be part of the answer. For that, they will go to college educated nurses who, through reading what other academically inspired nurses have written will decide the problem stems from too little college education in the nursing staff.. It's vicious circle.
May 29, '04Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 175; Likes: 2Quote from DixiediI am sorry, I am only a first year(goping on my 2nd this fall) RN student and I woudl like to know what a TBI is. Thanks. You got my curiosity going.Doesn't have a clue about what TBI is .
May 29, '04Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 175; Likes: 2Quote from llg2700That was awefully disrespectful and rude. I woudl have slid over for you or even given you my seat. lol. I have the utmost respect for older, more experienced nurses. I also hate when people talk while instructors or speakers are talking. That is so rude. I feel embaraasses for those people when they do it. Not all students are like that, please understand.The other day I was at a nursing seminar...lots of soon to be grads...that were hoping to be hired at the hospital where the seminar was being held.....and they had taken up almost all of the table space, with a few spaces in between...and sort a spread out. You got the picture....OK now I DO NOT think that when I come in they need to "part the red sea" for me, but the room was packed...but don't ya think they would scoot over for some of the nurses that they would have to be working with....NOPE...no way, even after asking them if the could please either scoot over or let some of us in the empty spaces....
OK...so I sat way in the back...(not really a problem---I am farsighted lol)...but I do like to have something besides the floor to put my drink on..and a bit of room to balance what ever I am taking notes on....
While I am at it...they also talked to eachother while the speaker was talking....
Whew...thank you for listening.....
May 29, '04Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 175; Likes: 2Quote from LisanotarThanks for this! I am a respectful student too. I just hope there are not any older nurses in the hospital I will be working for (they are paying ym tuition so I will work for a certain hospital for 3 yrs after grad) that think all college educated students are disrespectful and all you have been saying here. It sounds like I will be eaten alive by the older nurses.I am a new grad and not all of us are that disrespectful to others. I value the experiences, techniques and any helpful or new information that anyone can share with me. I try not to take things personally, but if someone is attacking me of course I will get defensive. If someone offers me constructive criticism I take it just as that, then apply effort to correct my ways.
I am trying to prepare myself to be "throwen to the wolves", but all I want is to find a unit where I feel like I am part of the family. I plan on staying for many, many years when I find my home. I do not want to be jumping around for the rest of my career.
May 29, '04Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 5,673; Likes: 159Quote from KMSRNWhen nurses disparage clinical skills a few of us will likely bristle.It's a shame I can't post my opinion without a disparaging response.
May 29, '04Occupation: Hospice clinical director Joined: May '02; Posts: 2,873; Likes: 26It sounds like I will be eaten alive by the older nurses.
May 29, '04Occupation: long term care Joined: Feb '04; Posts: 87; Likes: 1Quote from Nuru99Ha,ha.:hatparty: ha,ah ha,.I figure it's the "In my day this would never happen" syndrome
May 30, '04Occupation: RN - oncology and palliative care Joined: Jun '00; Posts: 134; Likes: 4Quote from mattsmom81I did not mean to disparage clinical skills. Apparently I am not expressing myself clearly enough - so I will just shut up.When nurses disparage clinical skills a few of us will likely bristle.
May 30, '04Occupation: pediatric home care Joined: May '04; Posts: 703; Likes: 7Quote from KMSRNSurely you have noticed round here that it is impossible to express oneself clearly enough. Somebody will always come in and focus in on 1 word and tear you to shreads for it.I did not mean to disparage clinical skills. Apparently I am not expressing myself clearly enough - so I will just shut up.
I don't have enough digits to count the number of times somebody has tried to make me sound like some kind of idiot becasue they either did not read/understand the post or they simply ignored the jest of what I was saying.
There is one in particular that just cracks me up. Post op pt. Medication side effects. GI bleeding. tarry stool and hypotension. Apparently this argumentative nurse who read my post that the hypotension may be the first symptom noted didn't consider the big picture. She clearly stated the pt with hypotension would be passed out on the floor before they got to the bathroom to flush the tarry stool!? Apparently she doesn't know BPs don't go from 120/80 to 60/40 without touching a few numbers in between!
Cracks me up.
She had a great "quote" from a phamacology book of some sort but had no clinical experience to figure the whole thing out.
May 30, '04Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 5,673; Likes: 159Quote from KMSRNAs I reread your post I agree you may not have done so, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt and apologize.I did not mean to disparage clinical skills. Apparently I am not expressing myself clearly enough - so I will just shut up.
My response to your post was a knee jerk reaction, I'm afraid, as the wordage you used generally has led next to disparaging of clinical skills and touting of baccalaureate classroom-based training over the more hospital and clinical-based diploma and AS programs for RNs.
You do not need to shut up. I am proud of my 'training', as are the doctors I work with who are OK with referring to their residencies as 'training' too. The academic elite has used the 'we are educated not trained' to disparage AS and diploma nurses over the years, I'm afraid.
May 30, '04Occupation: student Joined: Mar '02; Posts: 118; Likes: 3You know I was thinking about this post today and I have a few thoughts on it once again. I do think that education is crucial in any profession, as well as training/experience. i don't think we should put eachother down either way. A lot of this has to do with chance, even the situations when you became a nurse. Times change, as do emphasis on certain things change. But I think it is absurd to look down upon people for earning their diploma education or vice versa. It is not someones "fault" that was the more available way of education when they became a nurse (whether it be diploma, ADN, BSN, etc) you cannot say someone was wrong or right in their educational pursuits. I do think we need to focus more on the way nurses are treated in general. The ANA should stop avoiding the real causes for nurses leaving nursing, instead of coming up with all these "educational theories" I am not saying education is not important, I am psycho for school (I have to bachelor degrees and counting but I don't think that is the reason for people leaving nursing. I think people are sick of doing EVERYONES jobs and being treated like they do nothing. Just my input.
May 30, '04Joined: Apr '03; Posts: 579; Likes: 398Jenkins says she was motivated to speak out after witnessing many examples of inadequate nursing.
"I visited an injured friend a few weeks ago in hospital," she says.
"She was still in her tight jeans and uncomfortable clothes 10 hours after her accident. She was menstruating and wanted a wash and to be comfortable.
"I asked the nurse who was not doing much of anything if she could have a wash and she said that it would be better for her to wait until my friend went to the ward, which would be soon.
"At two in the afternoon my friend was in tears as she still had not had a wash and was still in her clothes that she had been wearing for 36 hours.
Jun 12, '04Occupation: long term care Joined: Feb '04; Posts: 87; Likes: 1Quote from KMSRNDid you really need to go there? You knew the idea that was being eluded to, be a team player. It's not about words today, ...please as nurses we need all the support from each other we can get.I think we need to stop thinking in terms of nurse's "training". Dogs are trained, seals are trained, nurses are educated. Nursing needs to make BSN the entry level - there's just too much to learn in 2 years. And I agree with the intern idea or making the last semester of school all clinicals. Pharmacy and physical therapy are make a doctorate their entry level. Everyone is raising the bar except nursing - does not bode well for the future of nursing.