Nurse Told She Is Too Obese To Move To New Zealand - page 7
source: nurse told she is too obese to move to new zealand one thing that stood out to me in the article: nz nurses work 60-hour weeks?!... Read More
May 6, '09Occupation: ER Staff Nurse Specialty: 6+ year(s) of experience in ER/EHR Trainer ; From: US ; Joined: Mar '07; Posts: 1,115; Likes: 1,673Quote from GeorgiaKThen there will be a true nursing shortage!I wonder when BMI will be added to our job requirements.
May 6, '09Occupation: RN Specialty: NICU, Post-partum ; From: US ; Joined: Dec '08; Posts: 2,405; Likes: 2,553Quote from ~Mi Vida Loca~I agree, the purpose of this thread is not a circ debate, I just responded since you brought it up.Well I am not going to get into a Circ debate here because for everyone reason listed why it's a pro, you can find studies disproving it. There is a huge thread about it in the OBGYN specialty forum.They did not use any numbing medications on my sons. Many countries find it barbaric and show no studies of increased risk and infections so it sort of goes along the same lines of what is immoral for one might not be for another.
But I wholeheartedly agree with your main point, there are basic human rights that one should have all over and when those lines are being crossed as a world we should step in. Other then that it is a countries place to make their own rules and laws whether others agree or not.
However, I think we can all agree that inflicting any kind of pain, such as cutting a foreskin off an infant...that pain control should not be ignored because the newborn can't speak for himself.
I blame physicians...for being lazy...and the hospitals...for not requiring it...and the laws, for not making mandatory pain control a legal requirement.
Personally, if a circ is done with no pain control because the physician is too lazy to do so...I think that should be disclosed to Mom before she signs the papers...and has the option to go with another Pediatrician that does.
May 6, '09Joined: Oct '08; Posts: 193; Likes: 159I see and hear a lot of people disparaging BMI and ideas of being overweight/obese due to specific examples and exceptions which I think is a mistake. BMI is not a perfect measure, not by a long shot, and it should never be viewed as such. However, it has a lot of benefits statistically because it is easy to do and reproduce and is a good STARTING POINT for looking at healthy trends both of society and individuals. In isolation it isn't that useful, that doesn't mean it isn't useful at all. High BMI might be a warning sign, but things like fat %, LDL/HDL levels, activity, diet, etc would be the correct follow-up to say if it's a problem or not.
As for obesity/overweight, I'd like to point out there is a fair bit of evidence associating obesity with higher all-cause morbidity (http://www.rand.org/pubs/reprints/2008/RP952.pdf) and is considered to be one of the highest if not number one causes of premature death, and type II diabetes risk also increases significantly (78% more likely in one study). But it is worth pointing out too that being fit vs. sedentary has an even stronger correlation with good health, low morbidity, etc so of course being fit could cancel out a lot of the negative effects correlated with high weight (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10593541).
I read an article awhile back which said that 1/4 of people considered overweight/obese actually had healthy cholesterol/lipid indices and about the same percent of normal weight people actually did have poor profiles in those categories. I thought it was interesting that the reaction in it was "see, weight isn't everything" since to me it would be more accurately viewed as 'healthy' weight vs. 'too heavy' carries a 1/4 vs. 3/4 elevated risk of cardiovascular problems. On a statistical level this is huge, and the exceptions to this rule do not overshadow the broader implications.
A bit off topic perhaps, but relevant I think to the topic at hand.
May 6, '09From: US ; Joined: Oct '08; Posts: 236; Likes: 58Quote from tntrnIt sounds like a government mandated thing, probably connected to Universal Health Care.
Ha yeah right...discrimination happens everyday in the us...Some jobs are cutting benfits for their smoking employees. Why? They are a burden. And while we are on the topic...every person who while uninsured goes into the hopital and doesnt pay thier bill, means that hospital closes/or the public pays for them. The US cannot go on like this.
May 6, '09Specialty: OB, HH, ADMIN, IC, ED, QI ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '06; Posts: 2,340; Likes: 2,045Quote from tntrnNow hold on a minute! :icon_rollIt sounds like a government mandated thing, probably connected to Universal Health Care.
I'll bet the NZ government has no laws regarding the weight of immigrants and their eligibility to live there. There are plenty of overweight folks there already, and their health care system is well managed for those who require more care than others. Now if she is Chinese.....
It sounds to me, tntrn that you're trying to make a point against Universal Health Care, generally.
I would think working 60 hours weekly would present more of a health hazard than excess weight does. The OP doesn't give us enough information about the whole woman - whether she's diabetic, hypothyroid, an overeater, or congenitally predetermined to be overweight (by family history).
May 6, '09Specialty: OB, HH, ADMIN, IC, ED, QI ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '06; Posts: 2,340; Likes: 2,045Quote from VivaLasViejasIt wasn't in NZ that she was expected to work 60 hour weeks, but in England where she did that. She hadn't moved to NZ!My thinking exactly! And while 60-hour weeks may be doable, they are NOT safe, regardless of a nurse's size. Or age, for that matter.
I personally wouldn't want ANY nurse working on me who's on her fifth consecutive 12-hour shift.........
May 6, '09Occupation: OR Specialty: OR, ER, General, ortho... ; Joined: Feb '08; Posts: 8; Likes: 2She would have been working overtime doing these hours!!!! Would breach EU guidelines otherwise.
May 6, '09Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 9,619; Likes: 14,055Quote from lamazeteacherNow hold on a minute! :icon_roll
I'll bet the NZ government has no laws regarding the weight of immigrants and their eligibility to live there.
Health Requirements for entry to New Zealand
This leaflet will give you information on the health requirements you must meet to be granted a visa to travel to New Zealand, or a permit to remain in New Zealand.
Acceptable standard of health
Applicants for visas and permits for New Zealand must have an acceptable standard of health. We consider you to have an acceptable standard of health if you are:
unlikely to be a danger to public health
unlikely to impose significant costs or demands on New Zealand’s health services or special education services
able to perform the functions for which you have been granted entry.
If you intend to give birth in New Zealand you are not considered to have an acceptable standard of health.
This is just the first paragraph of the bulletin, which is available on-line. New Zealand clearly does not permit admittance of non-citizens who are likely to be a drain on the health care system.
May 6, '09Joined: Apr '09; Posts: 42; Likes: 1Quote from ~Mi Vida Loca~I think this could be more realistic than the nursing urgument. Nursing usually doesnt ask for your weight, as long as you can perform the job, pass the physical exam. If this is a national requirement, then she may not be able to do anything about it. If it is a nursing thing, maybe have a lawyer look into it. I am sure there are immigrants who exceed that wt. ThxI don't think the law has to do with her being female or a nurse, I was just talking to a friend that has gone to NZ many times a couple months ago, I was talking about how beautiful the country was and she was telling me that their is a weight limit to move there and it was not nursing related at all. I am not sure if this is true and obviously they can't do anything if you are born there and become fat, but she told me they won't approve whatever it was for people to move there if they were over a certain weight or BMI. Only exception was Australia because you she said you are considered a resident or whatever it was called when you live in AU
I have never researched this myself so I am not sure how accurate the info is, but if it is true it had nothing to do with her sex or profession.
May 7, '09Joined: Apr '09; Posts: 42; Likes: 1Quote from nkaraI totally agree. I can't imagine the situation. Furthermore, the poor lady was offered a job in an retirement home. This job does not require much as compared to others like critical care among others.it sounds like they don't have discrimination law suits in that country? if she were in the US that would be cause for a lawsuit and she would win hands down!
No being that overweight is not healthy but that does not mean she can't do her job. I work with an RN who is well over 400 lbs and she does her job.:roll