Nurse fired over treating Muslim women - page 10

The comments on the article got into a bunch of racial slandering. Curious to see what others in the profession think of this? A male registered nurse and Vietnam war Army medic has sued the... Read More

  1. by   tewdles
    Quote from lumbarpain
    Just simply put....before 911 occurred what in the world did the healthcare profession do before hand when treating these people and how come you never heard about it until now.
    Before 9/11 we got to know the cultures in the communities we live in and we applied THAT knowledge to our practice. It is best to have some idea what the cultures prefer/protest in general before we engage them in something that is offensive to them.

  2. by   tewdles
    Quote from LongislandLPN
    I read the article. He was complying with his supervisors orders of not treating women with conservative headdress (although it should be up to each patient individually) until one of the DR's pointed out how odd that was. He then went on to treat female patients. If the female patients did not voice their unwillingness for him to provide nursing care than I do not understand what the problem is? He was fired because husbands/males in the community were upset a man was treating female patients --- that is clear cut and dry sexist.
    Yes, we may think that, BUT this is about that woman's culture not yours or mine. And in her culture the man gets to do the talking, especially to an unrelated and white man.

    We may not like it, but that is their culture, their life-style, and their choice. My pentecostal sensibilities do not get to decide that simply because we both live in Dearborn.

    The nurse was fired because he was given specific direction on a specific topic of cultural diversity and he chose to do otherwise. That equals gone in my management book...
  3. by   Nurserton
    Ask the women in hijab how they feel and then get back to me. :-)
  4. by   Nurserton
    Quote from SummitAP
    I've heard that line of reasoning before and it doesn't every lead anywhere good.
    Ask the women in hijab how they feel and then get back to me. :-)
  5. by   tewdles
    Whether or not that individual woman was asked is a question that we do not have an answer to. What we do know is that there is an implied cultural diversity issue because of the woman's chosen dress. We do know that the supervisor was aware of the cultural issues surrounding the Islamic community that they serve. We do know that the supervisor provided direction to her staff in an effort to meet the general and basic implied needs of those women residing in that cultural center. It is fact that the nurse in question at first followed and then abandoned the guidance of his supervisor without consulting either her OR the patient.

    I am a nurse manager at this time, and I would NOT be happy if this happened on my watch. Developing trusting relationships with cultural groups in our communities is not EASY and things like this incident can quickly undo many, many hours of work.

    As I said before, this particular Muslim woman may not even want to speak to this man in that setting, because of her religious and cultural beliefs.
  6. by   GHGoonette
    Tewdles, I'd have to go back and read the full article again to determine if a patient complaint was actually filed or not. I'd be very interested to know the eventual outcome of the civil case, as according to my understanding of the law (which may differ in certain aspects to the law as it pertains in America) the nurse in question was indeed unfairly dismissed. The question remains as to whether there was an official hospital policy in place, which will be highly important, if not crucial, to the success or failure of his case. Then, of course, there is the question of the doctor's authority in the hospital hierarchy.

    I, too, live in an area with a large Muslim population, in fact I work for a company owned by a Muslim family, our patient population is predominantly Muslim, and no such policy has been put in place in either our or our sister hospitals.
  7. by   tewdles
    I doubt that there was a specific policy other than the diversity policy that most facilities have. The nurse was not being very culturally sensitive, in my estimation. He should have spoken to his supervisor about it.
  8. by   juan de la cruz
    There may not be a policy in place stating that all women wearing a hijab are to be cared for by female nurses alone. It's a clinic, not a hospital, and one run by the City of Dearborn Health Department. It has been shut down due to budget constraints.

    Like I said before, anyone can claim to have worked with Muslim patients in the past but this is Dearborn, Michigan. No matter how you disagree with such an implied policy, the fact is nurses there know enough not to assign a male nurse to a Muslim woman wearing a hijab if the care will involve bodily contact. The nurse was giving flu shots in this setting. It may not be as sensitive a matter to mainstream Americans to have their arms exposed to a male nurse when receiving shots but it is to a conservative Muslim woman in that area.

    I am really surprised this nurse did not realize the implications of his action and that the physician was callous enough to ask the nurse to change practice without consulting with the rest of the team in the clinic. At any rate, the firing was excessive in my opinion, I would have sent the nurse (and the physician) for some classes on cultural sensitivity.
  9. by   carme76
    Was there a written hospital policy in regard of male nurses not providing care to Muslim women?
    What about a Muslim nurse does she get to pick her patients for the day? Since we are on this big culture topic, what about a nurse wearing a burka? We have to tie our hair back at work because we were told it could harbor bacteria. No rings, false finger nails, no neck ties or long sleeves.
  10. by   GHGoonette
    Quote from carme76
    Was there a written hospital policy in regard of male nurses not providing care to Muslim women?
    What about a Muslim nurse does she get to pick her patients for the day? Since we are on this big culture topic, what about a nurse wearing a burka? We have to tie our hair back at work because we were told it could harbor bacteria. No rings, false finger nails, no neck ties or long sleeves.
    This reminds me of a post in a recent AN newsletter;a nurse with cartoon character scrubs, but on a black background, was told by her family member that she should not wear them as the black colour might be depressing, as it is the "colour of death", or some such thing. However, in many Eastern cultures, white is regarded as funereal.

    Remember all those whiter-than-white uniforms, even down to white stockings, white shoes and caps? Most of us oldies look upon our old uniforms with pride and nostalgia, but - wait a minute - how many people did we offend with our rigid, uncaring dress code? (Please regard that question as both ironic and rhetorical).

    To any members of such cultures who may read this, did you regard our old uniform policies as an insult, or lacking in consideration at the time? I'm afraid that, despite my inarguable respect and consideration for others' race, religion or culture, I am swiftly becoming extremely cynical every time I read of either shooting or verbal wars caused by incidents which would make most of us who regard ourselves as citizens of a global village go "Huh?"

    Whichever way you turn, SOMEONE is going to stir themselves, and unfortunately others in many instances, up into an exploding pressure cooker over a slight which is only perceivable by them.
  11. by   SunshineSmile
    My question is, how is the nurse who was fired for this going to get a new job? Employers often do web searches for prospective employees these days. I am sure that if he applies for an RN job again, a prospective employer will find out about his lawsuit. Do you think that the lawsuit will interfere with him getting a new job because he is what some would call a "whistle blower" or a "trouble maker"? Or will it not interfere with his job hunt because "the supervisor is dead wrong and he should sue the employer's pants off" as some put it?
  12. by   thenursemandy
    Quote from littleneoRN

    Careful, here. It's not "Our way or the highway." We are a diverse nation. We may have a mainstream culture, but we have a lot of other cultures within our macro culture, and we need to treat each other respectfully. I worry when I see the "us vs. them" mentality start to peek into the dialogue. We are all "us," and just because someone else's ideas aren't displayed prominently in mainstream culture doesn't mean they don't deserve respect or don't have any place in our country.

    That said, this firing sounds a little fishy. The whole thing sounds fishy.

    I agree that this is a diverse land and that we should try to respect everyone's unique culture. To say this is the US, and we do things different here is dismisssive, prejudicial and does not show respect for there religion. I am a Christian and have similar views about being treated by a man. I'm an American. Are my beliefs more worthy that another persons? No!
  13. by   anotherone
    Respect for your culture and religion ends where our laws and logic begin! Not all beliefs should be so welcomed.