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  1. by   nurse_clown
    Quote from nerdtonurse?
    We had one of those in nursing school -- fanatically obsessed with the rapture and end times prophesy. She disappeared after one semester -- complete psychotic break.
    hmmmm.... wonder if she's working near me.... lol:wshgrt:
  2. by   mwboswell
    Sir/Madam,
    Regarding your post titled "
    Nurse fired for suggesting pt go to church"

    Dated May 25th -
    Please change this title - it is untrue, misleading, controversial and does not reflect well on you as a "staff" member of allnurses.com

    If you read the cited reference to the source article, you will see that this title is NOT true.

    Thank you.
  3. by   Chica_bella813
    According to what I read it seems like due to him not attending the hearing they fired him, but I think there is more to this story. Why would you let a nurse of 40 yrs of good standing to be dismissed?? :angryfireThat doesn't make sense to me...... But hey....

    Also I feel that in the UK religion especially Christianity is not highly mentioned or regarded. I was very surprised when I was abroad over there that there was not much evangelism or promotion of Christian beliefs like here in the states.

    I think that was a great recommendation that he gave in the exercise--it was simply that a training exercise. Maybe he wasn't well liked...but that is a shame none theless
  4. by   QueenIam
    God Bless Him
  5. by   NRSKarenRN
    this report sheds more info on story...

    nri nurse fired for advising patients to turn to god | kuwaitsamachar

    ...according to uk's telegraph newspaper, rao, a committed christian, advised the “patient” to go to church to have her stress eased as she was role-playing being diagnosed with serious heart condition which she said created stress.

    to another woman "patient" who had aids, rao suggested, "in such circumstances when no treatment is available, the best treatment is prayer to god."


    the 71-year-old christian is furious that the comments made in a training session created the uproar that eventually led to his termination.
    he rather feels his tutor should have corrected him on the right practices in palliative care ...
    .

    nurse fired for advising patients to turn to god | themedguru
    ...nhs trust’s version of the sacking
    in their defense, the nhs trust stated that rao had breached the nursing and midwifery council’s code of conduct more than once. mr rao was suspended by the trust after the course directors complained about his conduct and then dismissed him after a disciplinary hearing...
    nurse loses job after urging patients to find god during a training course
    from uk telegraph newspaper
    ..."i asked mrs jones whether she goes to church, she said 'no'. i advised her if she went to church the stress might be eased. i further told her i go to church for the same reason."

    in another scenario, mr rao said he advised a woman "patient" who had aids.
    he suggested that she should stop having sex with her husband and mr rao added: "i said to her, in such circumstances when no treatment is available, the best treatment is prayer to god."

    it is understood the woman "patient" had, however, wanted to find out ways of continuing to have safe sex and felt she did not receive sympathetic, suitable advice...

    mr rao, who worked for the leicester nhs trust since may 2005, was initially suspended by his employer on the grounds that "concerns have been raised about your professional conduct by the course directors at loros."

    the care worker did not attend a disciplinary hearing in the new year when the allegations against him were being examined.
    he says he refused to attend because he was not given, as he had requested, a copy of the questions and answers from his training meeting.
    mr rao said he earned 11 an hour as a care worker and usually ended up with an annual salary of about 18,000.

    his contract was terminated in a letter from his employers which addressed concerns about his behaviour at the training course.
    "this was specifically in relation to a simulated session where you raised issues regarding your religious beliefs with individuals who were role playing the part of patients.
    "the issues you raised during the session were deemed to be highly inappropriate by the course directors," the letter said...
    .

    i can't believe this is the first time in his 40 years of nursing, he is learning right practices in palliative care... and not understand that comments made inappropriate in this setting.

    clarification:
    telegraph newspaper article is identifying mr rao as care worker --not a licensed uk nurse. ... this paper is source of many news accounts.

    care worker = pct or nurses aide in us.
    Last edit by NRSKarenRN on May 29, '09
  6. by   BabyLady
    Fired? Ridiculous.

    Written up? Absolutely.

    You never suggest someone go to church unless you KNOW that the person is religious...and then you present it as a support option...to me, that isn't quite what the nurse said.

    I have seen nurses ask to patients who are in distress, "Are you religious?"

    If they say No...then the subject is dropped....the nurse then helps the patient find family or community focuses of support.

    If they say Yes, I have seen a nurse asked, "Do you attend church or do you worship at home?"...they point out the social aspect of attending church...how many churches may have support groups etc.

    It's all about discussing what is relevant and appropriate.

    People who are not religious are just as offended about being "told" they should go to church, as I am sure a Christian would be if they were told by an athiest nurse to "just drop all the ceremony and just live".

    Seriously...all of us have to respect BOTH sides of it.
  7. by   blue note
    Quote from Chica_bella813
    Also I feel that in the UK religion especially Christianity is not highly mentioned or regarded. I was very surprised when I was abroad over there that there was not much evangelism or promotion of Christian beliefs like here in the states.
    And that is a good thing to non-Christians. Believe what you want but do not presume to try to convert me to your religion.

    I think that was a great recommendation that he gave in the exercise--it was simply that a training exercise.
    That was an inappropriate suggestion and even if it was a training exercise, shouldn't he be taking it seriously enough to treat it like the real thing?

    Any Christians who think it was so great, flip it around and imagine if he was a Muslim telling a patient to read the Koran and pray to Allah, and see how you'd feel. Or a Buddhist nurse advising a patient that life is suffering, and to forgo material things. Or for a Wiccan to advise a patient to pray to the Goddess to alleviate stress. Or an atheist to tell a patient not to rely on a non-existent supernatural crutch when it comes to their health. All of the above would be inappropriate, but unfortunately, some evangelical Christians don't realize that it also applies to them.
  8. by   madnurse2b
    Quote from nrskarenrn
    this report sheds more info on story...

    nri nurse fired for advising patients to turn to god | kuwaitsamachar

    .

    nurse fired for advising patients to turn to god | themedguru


    nurse loses job after urging patients to find god during a training course
    from uk telegraph newspaper
    .

    i can't believe this is the first time in his 40 years of nursing, he is learning right practices in palliative care... and not understand that comments made inappropriate in this setting.

    clarification:
    telegraph newspaper article is identifying mr rao as care worker --not a licensed uk nurse. ... this paper is source of many news accounts.

    care worker = pct or nurses aide in us.
    thanks for the increased info. telling someone who has hiv stop having sex with your husband and go to church? wow.
    and i really appreciate finding out he is not a nurse but a pca/careworker. it makes a lot more sense. (plus seeing the 11 pound pay rate was a touch frightening!)
  9. by   ZanatuBelmont
    Quote from madwife2002
    Nurse 'sacked over church advice'

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...re/8066613.stm


    I found this amazing that a nurse was fired for suggesting a pt should go to church during a training exercise!!!!
    1.) Re-read the article, that's not why he was fired.

    2.) If the man had suggested the patient go to a Mosque, I'm guessing the tone would have been different. You'd probably be rejoicing a similar decision.
  10. by   NRSKarenRN
    all the news sources that picked up on this story are reporting wrong info:

    this is a good example of whisper down the lane. see my post #56: Nurse alleges fired for suggesting pt go to church re inaccuracies of press report.

    after reading this article from uk telegraph newspaper ( appears to be original source other news reports quote article) nurse loses job after urging patients to find god during a training course

    a. person involved, mr anand rao, is a male caregiver in uk ([color=#2200cc]neatorama assumed 'nurse' was female).

    b. mr rao is identified as care giver, a not a licensed nurse. uk caregiver is equivalent to us personal care (pca) or certified nursing assistant (cna)
    mr rao said he earned 11 an hour as a care worker and usually ended up with an annual salary of about 18,000.
    (due to this salary level and no credit for personal care nursing provided, why an staff do not recommend foreign trained nurses who are unable to find positions in own country accept these type positions in other countries.)

    c. employee was initially suspended for comments made during training course:
    mr rao, who worked for the leicester nhs trust since may 2005, was initially suspended by his employer on the grounds that "concerns have been raised about your professional conduct by the course directors at loros
    d. termination occurred because employee was aware of disciplinary hearings but chose not to attend:
    the care worker did not attend a disciplinary hearing in the new year when the allegations against him were being examined.
    he says he refused to attend because he was not given, as he had requested, a copy of the questions and answers from his training meeting.
    and had prior incidents
    kate bradley, the director of human resources at the university hospitals of leicester nhs trust said: "the incident which led to the launch of the investigation was unfortunately not the first.
    "since joining us in 2005 he had continuously shown a disregard for the nmc code of conduct which he had breached on more than one occasion.
    "mr rao was given every opportunity to assure us that this would not happen again, but he was unable to do so and showed little regards for the standards of care and professionalism that is expected of him as a nurse."

    so all news report titles are inaccurate...... an staff uncovered and documented discrepancies as they became known.
    Last edit by NRSKarenRN on May 31, '09
  11. by   lamazeteacher
    Congratulations on your exhaustive investigation, NRSKarenRN. It is always a good idea to check newspaper reports, as the reporters purposely twist facts for sensationalism.

    I learned to check their notes when I was quoted in talks I gave for the American Cancer Society. If they wouldn't let me, I called their editor, to warn of the possibility of inaccuracy.

    I have an undocumented theory that I'd like to check out among those posting here. It was my supposition that those reading this thread who were originally from the south, southeast and midwest parts of the USA, would think the "nurse" was victimized for religious beliefs and giving appropriate advice. Those from the northeast, northwest, and west side of the country might pass it off as a religious "nut" who didn't respect boundaries......

    Am I right? :spin:
    Last edit by lamazeteacher on May 30, '09 : Reason: name incomplete
  12. by   Spidey's mom
    "He says he refused to attend because he was not given, as he had requested, a copy of the questions and answers from his training meeting."


    I actually don't blame him here. I'd want everything beforehand too.


    steph
  13. by   Hushdawg
    Quote from lamazeteacher
    I have an undocumented theory that I'd like to check out among those posting here. It was my supposition that those reading this thread who were originally from the south, southeast and midwest parts of the USA, would think the "nurse" was victimized for religious beliefs and giving appropriate advice. Those from the northeast, northwest, and west side of the country might pass it off as a religious "nut" who didn't respect boundaries......
    Am I right? :spin:
    I grew up in North Carolina and lived 30 years there before moving to Chicago and now in the Philippines.

    I'm glad he's not practicing anymore, religious bullying is the worst kind of bigotry.

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