New York poised to require bachelor's degrees for RNs

  1. lobbying efforts begin to make new york first state to require bachelor's degrees for nurses.

    a century ago, nursing students learned their trade by trial and error while working in hospitals. today, 45 percent of registered nurses have bachelor's degrees, and most have at least an associate degree.

    nationally, there is a growing movement to require all rns to earn a bachelor's degree, and the profession is looking to new york to be the first state to mandate it. last year, the institute for medicine published a report on the future of nursing that set a goal of increasing the number of baccalaureate nurses to 80 percent by 2020.

    currently licensed nurses would not be subject to the law, and even students on the waiting list of nursing schools would be grandfathered. the push is on.
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  3. by   TheCommuter
    Back in 1987, North Dakota passed a law which mandated that all RNs licensed in the state be educated at the baccalaureate (BSN) level or higher. However, North Dakota had to repeal this law back in 2003 because a staggering number of nurses had fled the state over the years and relocated to other states where their diplomas, associate degrees, and experiences would be welcomed.

    Many nurses are attracted to the NYC metro area, want to live there, and consequently look for jobs there, so the city has a surplus of too many nurses right now. However, the remainder of the state of New York has plenty of rural areas, villages, and small towns that would be badly hurt if a BSN law were to be passed because these places are very heavily dependent on LPNs, diploma RNs, and RNs with associates degrees.

    If New York passes a BSN-only law, they are also going to have to spend a massive amount of money to entice the BSNs to live and work in parts of the state where relatively few people desire to live and work.
  4. by   agldragonRN
    i think this bsn requirement will happen sooner than we think due to this economy and surplus of nurses. almost all postings for hospital jobs in my area are all bsn required and/or bsn preferred. i need to start my rn to bsn soon!

    hopefully, this move will raise our pay as well. i doubt it though!

  5. by   Rodoon
    This had been discussed for over thirty years that I'm aware of. Many times stories like the above popped up and like another poster said it got repealed. There's always been a grandfather clause in effect for ADNs, so I've supported efforts to reach a baseline degree. But, I'll believe it when I see it.
    Last edit by Rodoon on Oct 21, '11 : Reason: typo
  6. by   LoveMyBugs
    By legislation or not the move in my area is for BSNs in the hospitals. One of the largest hospital system in my area, 6 hospitals in my area and they are in 6 states have made that all RNs in their system must have a BSN by 2018. They will not hire new nurses unless they have a BSN.
    Other hospitals in the area are following in their footsteps, the the BSN strongly preferred, but with a surplus of RNs, it is essentially a requirment to have a BSN if you want acute care.
    Only 8 more credits and I am there
  7. by   loriangel14
    BSN is already the minimum requirement in Canada.
  8. by   DixieRedHead
    I was just wondering what other LPN to RN nurses think about this. It will not affect me, I retire in two years. But I was just wondering what did you actually learn in RN school that you didn't learn in LPN school? I personally learned very little and nothing at all that I could put into practice. I learned at lot from other additional things that I was able to do after I was an RN.
    So what will the additional education required by the BSN studies really teach a nurse about care, how to deliver it, and practical application?
  9. by   msn10
    So what will the additional education required by the BSN studies really teach a nurse about care, how to deliver it, and practical application?
    As and ADN to BSN to MSN grad, you learn a lot, or more importantly, you get out of your education what you put into it.

    As an educator, I am on board with Benner's newer book called "Educating Nurses: A Call for Radical Transformation." I do think we need to upgrade some of our classes in the BSN programs, but I am a big proponent of nurse having to understand concepts about research and statistics, I don't see how we can advance nursing practice unless nurses understand the fundamentals of EBC.

    My ideal curriculum would be more like the diploma model with a year of theory and research not the 2 years of clinicals and 2 years of theory/research like we have now.
  10. by   babyNP.
    It's starting to be the trend these days...

    I was at the Magnet conference recently and a nurse from CHOP (children's Philly) told me that they are going to require BSNs of all their current nurses as well, otherwise they're going to let them go. Apparently they won't even help pay for tuition either, the nurse told me...
  11. by   brandy1017
    I really don't want to go back to school for a BSN just because some education nazi wants to push for more people to go into debt to make them look good and keep the college industry turning!

    However, I could be persuaded if I was given full tuition reimbursement, my choice of schools and a fair wage increase for the effort! But I think I'll be waiting a long time for that to happen!

    Many of us already have a BA degree in another field and chose the ADN route out of expediency. I'm tired of the credential nation! What's with nursing anyway, so many of the "professional" nurses have so many abbreviations after their name and who knows what their all for. It seems so ridiculous, like name dropping, status seeking, and see how special I am! I really find it confusing and don't see why they feel the need to add all these different titles behind their name. Why is nursing like this anyway?

    Frankly instead of pushing for a BSN, why not promote certifications related to a nurses specialty. I know its another abbreviation to add to your name, but at least it is very practical and timely for your field, that I could understand. But again reimbursement and additional pay should be part of the bargain!
  12. by   msn10
    However, I could be persuaded if I was given full tuition reimbursement,......reimbursement and additional pay should be part of the bargain!
    Pharmacy, PT, Social Services, DNP, MD/DO, etc., do not get tuition assistance, they are just required to obtain a Masters or doctorate as a minimum to practice. Why should every nurse out there get tuition reimbursement for a basic bachelors degree especially if ADN's are grandfathered in? I had to pay for my education myself.

    I really don't want to go back to school for a BSN just because some education nazi ...
    Also, I invoke Godwin's law :'s_law
  13. by   RNnbakes
    This topic is a divisive one. I SMH at the fact that DNP will be required for masters by 2015, while the minimal entry to the nursing field is still LPN.
    I know thousands of people will defend why "they" chose the route they used to enter nursing. But until nurses come to agreement like PT, OT and Pharm did, this topic will be another thread in 2031.
  14. by   brandy1017
    But be aware that the increased educational requirements for PT/OT and Pharmacy are not simply because the world is more complex and medical knowledge increasing, but to a large extent a way to limit the supply of workers for those jobs and thereby try to protect current workers pay and job opportunities. Don't be fooled, this professional advancement now required is to limit the supply of workers so a glut of workers competing for the same job doesn't lead to decreased wages and job opportunities!

    Because a lot more nurses are needed than workers in these other fields, it has been easier to become a nurse. Look around and you will see a dozen or more college programs in a major city for nursing vs maybe one or two colleges of pharmacy in a whole state! Pharmacists are making around $50/hr while pharm techs work for $12-18/hr side by side, but work under the direction of pharmacists. These techs would love to make more, I'm sure, and many would try to become pharmacists but the profession has managed to make the requirements a very high hurdle to jump, basically tantamount to medical school. Likewise medical schools are limited in a state to only a few vs dozen or more for nursing!

    NP's are competing not just with themselves but with PA's and even fellow doctors for jobs these days and every time you turn around another school is adding an NP program! Not so with PA or medical school or pharmacy!