Medicine decries nurse doctorate exam being touted as equal to physician testing - page 6

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  1. by   nursemarion
    I think that this is certainly one way to drive a bigger wedge between nursing and medicine. We have struggled for so long to work together and earn their respect. Now this sort of thing will alienate them and make them try to prove how much more they know all over again.

    Personally, docs ask me all the time what they should order and what I think. Do I gloat about it? No, I am glad that they respect me enough to ask. I spend a heck of a lot more time with the patient than they do, and they know it. I think we have made a lot of progress, but this kind of approach is going to erode some of the progress we have made. We need each other. A nurse is not a physician, and a physician is not a nurse. Even an advanced practice nurse should be able to recognize this interdependence. Turning this into a turf war can only hurt us all.
  2. by   wordstew
    you guys got it all wrong

    Non of this will matter, with health care reform we will all be making 50k a year no matter what initials are after your name.
    I have a Masters in nursing but could care less what you call me so long as I get appropriately compensated for my services.

    Doctors and nurses should be marching hand in hand to ensure we all don't get royally screwed with the coming reform

    That's my 2 cent
    Last edit by sirI on Jun 23, '09
  3. by   ivanh3
    Quote from wordstew
    you guys got it all wrong

    Non of this will matter, with health care reform we will all be making 50k a year no matter what initials are after
    50K for an associate's degree is not to shabby.
    Last edit by sirI on Jun 23, '09
  4. by   GilaRRT
    Quote from wordstew
    Doctors and nurses should be marching hand in hand to ensure we all don't get royally screwed with the coming reform

    That's my 2 cent
    Even when some nurses are pushing to have the same compensation and recognition as a physician? We have a fit when other providers look at working jobs typically filled by nurses. Somewhat of a double standard, no?
  5. by   wordstew
    Quote from GilaRN
    Even when some nurses are pushing to have the same compensation and recognition as a physician? We have a fit when other providers look at working jobs typically filled by nurses. Somewhat of a double standard, no?
    I agree with you completely. The real crux of this problem is that some experienced highly educated nurses think their credentials don't command enough respect. (or pay for that matter)

    I don't think the answer is for them to break away from nursing undergo a metamorphosis and become a non-nurse nurse-doctor.

    How about all nurses demanding respect and proper pay for what we do. that would solve this entire issue and the nursing shortage issue as well. (there's a reason why a large number of nurses don't work in the field anymore)

    All of those highly educated nurses should put their minds and efforts to resolving those issues.
  6. by   MedSurgeMess
    Quote from ranier
    huh? nursing already has the phd and edd as well as various nursing science/practice degrees like the nd, dsn, dns, dnsc, and now the dnp and drnp.

    not everyone with specific concerns regarding the dnp (particularly its lack of rigor and clinical science) and mundinger's characterization of dnp-prepared nurses has a problem with nurses having the opportunity to earn doctoral degrees in general. don't conflate the issue.

    an excellent article referenced in an earlier post that summarizes my opposition to this particular degree as well as anything i could write:
    the case against the dnp: history, timing, substance, and marginalization afaf i. meleis, phd, drps (hon), faan; kathleen dracup, fnp, dnsc, faan (september 30, 2005)

    i hope you read it and then maybe re-think your position that all opposition to the dnp (much of which comes form within nursing itself) can be summarily dismissed as "just a turf war."
    wow, i was very uninformed about this whole issue. i thought i knew the whole scenario behind the arguments. i urge anyone who hasn't read the article to do so. it really opened my eyes to another point of view that i never even considered.
  7. by   nursemarion
    Quote from wordstew
    you guys got it all wrong

    Non of this will matter, with health care reform we will all be making 50k a year no matter what initials are after your name.
    I have a Masters in nursing but could care less what you call me so long as I get appropriately compensated for my services.

    Doctors and nurses should be marching hand in hand to ensure we all don't get royally screwed with the coming reform

    That's my 2 cent
    I would love to make 50K a year- I'll take it!

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