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  1. by   LiverpoolJane
    Can I ask if you knew I (a British nurse) worked at a hospital would you decline a job there?

    Quote from chulaRN2be
    I declined a tech position,at the hospital where my mom works because of the fact it had foreign nurses who happen to be from the phillipines ( if thats how you even spell it). I can not stand it when they talk in there LANGUAGE and form cliques because they are "superior" hahah thats what they think they are but unfortunately they are so wrong !! WE NEED OUR jobs back !
  2. by   firefox828
    Quote from chulaRN2be
    I declined a tech position,at the hospital where my mom works because of the fact it had foreign nurses who happen to be from the phillipines ( if thats how you even spell it). I can not stand it when they talk in there LANGUAGE and form cliques because they are "superior" hahah thats what they think they are but unfortunately they are so wrong !! WE NEED OUR jobs back !
    well then, you'll find it hard to get an RN job when you graduate if that's your criterion. most hospitals, if not all, have foreign nurses.
  3. by   DolceVita
    Quote from ghillbert
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    Thanks for the info. There is a misconception that permanent residents can't be out longer than 6 months without abandoning their residency, but it's not factual - the determination of abandonment depends on "intent" not purely time out. I am on a non-resident visa, which gives me in/out privileges, provided I am maintaining my employment. But thank you for the information.
    Except they decide what your intent is. Been there, done that and had the expensive lawyer. I love ICE.
  4. by   DolceVita
    Quote from chulaRN2be
    I declined a tech position,at the hospital where my mom works because of the fact it had foreign nurses who happen to be from the phillipines ( if thats how you even spell it). I can not stand it when they talk in there LANGUAGE and form cliques because they are "superior" hahah thats what they think they are but unfortunately they are so wrong !! WE NEED OUR jobs back !
    Saying "We need our jobs back", having just declined a job for such a superficial reason is most peculiar. A bit like cutting one's nose off to spite one's face. Quite ridiculous.

    Even if you find a place with all "American" nurses, or techs in your case, how are you going to deal with the foreign doctors, RTs, housekeeping personnel?
  5. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from LiverpoolJane
    Can I ask if you knew I (a British nurse) worked at a hospital would you decline a job there?
    Off topic, but I love your siggy.
  6. by   ghillbert
    Quote from chulaRN2be
    because they are "superior" hahah thats what they think they are but unfortunately they are so wrong!!
    So, they are actually inferior? Go and have a look at the definition of "racism".
  7. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from ghillbert
    So, they are actually inferior? Go and have a look at the definition of "racism".
    Gotta agree. There's a fine line between wanting to limit immingration right now, due to the state of our economy, and just flat our hating immigration.

    And that PP has crossed the line.
  8. by   respectall
    Quote from chulaRN2be
    I declined a tech position,at the hospital where my mom works because of the fact it had foreign nurses who happen to be from the phillipines ( if thats how you even spell it). I can not stand it when they talk in there LANGUAGE and form cliques because they are "superior" hahah thats what they think they are but unfortunately they are so wrong !! WE NEED OUR jobs back !
    How ignorant and sad of a person you are. How do you even know that they think they are superior. It's because they form "cliques" doesn't mean they dont like you. Where I work nurses and or techs form "cliques" because they happened to be comfortable talking about each others lives and stuff at work. And every individual are different. When you go to a party you would be more comfortable being with people you are close to like a best friend or roommate. The only difference with this scenario is the language used. When they spoke filipino it's NOT because they want to talk BAD about you. I have worked with filipino and spanish nurses and they are wonderful workmates. Yes they tend to speak in their language when they're amongst themselves, unless you want to butt in their business then drop it! I worked with foriegn doctors as well and often they speak their language in the hallway, Does it bother me, absolutely not! It does however when they write in their language which does NOT happen! Anyways, just relax they're not her to take your job. They are here to help alleviate our fragmatic health care. Get to know them at a personal level and you'll find that they are really wonerful person. If it really bother you when they speak their language then ask them kindly to at least minimize it.
  9. by   respectall
    Quote from chulaRN2be
    I declined a tech position,at the hospital where my mom works because of the fact it had foreign nurses who happen to be from the phillipines ( if thats how you even spell it). I can not stand it when they talk in there LANGUAGE and form cliques because they are "superior" hahah thats what they think they are but unfortunately they are so wrong !! WE NEED OUR jobs back !
    Whoever you are. you're mentality is DANGEROUS! and with that kind of mentality you're not going to get far. I served the Army in baghdad as a medic. I was a foriegner in their land trying to teach Iraqi medic stablish. I spoke ENGLISH most of the time behind their back and NEVER ones these men told me I offended them or that I was A rude SOB. This men spoke in broken english and mostly Irqi/kurdish when they are around and never did I fell scared or mistrusted. If you know someone at a personal level, language is never a barrier. Pls DONT make this foriegn nurses Enemy, they are our ally. If not for them who knows our gov might give us mandatory tour of duty in every LTCF very 6 months for 4 weeks. think about it
  10. by   respectall
    Quote from c_beshore_rn
    obviously if there wasn't a need for "imported nurses" there would not be any "imported nurses" allowed to work in the us....i think all things have a purpose in our economy... someone said it earlier---supply and demand. we demand them so other countries supply them. its how this country was founded....we were all foreigners at one time! unless ur a full blooded native american

    the system is flawed. obama should spend some of this economic stimulus money setting up grants for hospitals to create "new grad intern programs." all hospitals applying for this grant would recieve enuf money to support new grads in there training. they would sign on to work at a hospital for 1-2 years under this grant then when they were ready to fly they would have a couple years of experience to burst out into the world. experienced in whatever unit they were trained. that way the hospital would not be burndened with the expense, the new grad gets experience, and holes can be filled where they need to be filled...... and the world would be a happier place.

    i live in missouri and we are always short! i work overtime galore, bust my rear, work short, break my back...blah blah blah. there are nurses in big city areas that can't find jobs but they are not willing to move and take the 25,000/year paycut to live in small-town usa. i say, bring on the out of country nurses or bring the big-city nurses here to no-mans land.
    Quote from alexk49
    respectall, i was going to send you a private message but you don't have 15 posts, i think you meant "slots" not "*****" <g>.

    i agree that students often do better when working as a nurses aide or tech. i teach in a part time program and many students can not give up their day job. also in my area being a nurses aide on a unit does guarantee an offer as a nurse. i agree the students will learn to respect nurses aides.

    in my area ecf positions are filled maybe they need to advertise in non shortage areas. most ecfs depend on lpns for the majority of their staffing so, foreign nurses would not be a good fit since the rn needs to know the ins and outs of the system which is not taught in their country.

    ecfs and snfs are second to a nuclear plant for regulations.
    maybe the problem is not so much of foriegn nurse recruitment, it's probably that many ltcf are utilizing lpn/lvn to cut cost? does anyone thought of this?
  11. by   respectall
    Quote from chulaRN2be
    I declined a tech position,at the hospital where my mom works because of the fact it had foreign nurses who happen to be from the phillipines ( if thats how you even spell it). I can not stand it when they talk in there LANGUAGE and form cliques because they are "superior" hahah thats what they think they are but unfortunately they are so wrong !! WE NEED OUR jobs back !
    Say you have persuaded someone from higher authority to get rid of all foriegn nurses in your Area. Now you have a job right? Then who's going to take the time to orient you if her/his work load is already saturated. How competent and safe are you going to be in delivering pt care to multiple pts?. Now the burden really goes well and beyond. First your hospital is going to go in diversion (cost thousands of dollars per hour) because of shor staffing. Second you're probably going to have to pull a double shift and overtine cause no one is going to relieve you. Third your CEO will make drastic measures in cutting cost by using cheap and useless equipments and freezing annual raise. Fourth, the vulnerable who are the sick eldelry and disable whos' going to take care of them. Ultimately your going to creat a catastrophe in your community and neighboring town which could then creat a domino affect causing a nation wide disaster!
  12. by   Ginger's Mom
    Quote from respectall
    Maybe the problem is not so much of foriegn nurse recruitment, it's probably that many LTCF are utilizing LPN/LVN to cut cost? does anyone thought of this?
    I think LPNs function wonderfully in a SNF, it would be nice to have more of a RN presence, with the economic times I don't see a move to more RNs employed, it would require that the Medicare regulations require it. I for see many nursing have less skilled labor ( some SNFS when allowed by the state) have med techs, not licensed nurses.
  13. by   Ginger's Mom
    Quote from respectall
    Say you have persuaded someone from higher authority to get rid of all foriegn nurses in your Area. Now you have a job right? Then who's going to take the time to orient you if her/his work load is already saturated. How competent and safe are you going to be in delivering pt care to multiple pts?. Now the burden really goes well and beyond. First your hospital is going to go in diversion (cost thousands of dollars per hour) because of shor staffing. Second you're probably going to have to pull a double shift and overtine cause no one is going to relieve you. Third your CEO will make drastic measures in cutting cost by using cheap and useless equipments and freezing annual raise. Fourth, the vulnerable who are the sick eldelry and disable whos' going to take care of them. Ultimately your going to creat a catastrophe in your community and neighboring town which could then creat a domino affect causing a nation wide disaster!

    Retrogression has been in effect for several years, unless a foreign nurses has special circumstances such as a special status, such as Canadian or Mexican TN visa , Australia's special arrangement , or last marrying an American Citizen there has been no movement of foreign nurses. Most reasonable people would endorse retaining current Foreign Nurses employment ( after all most have been granted permanent resident status) and the current visa situation . The nursing shortage situation has not worsen since retrogression if anything it has improved ( mostly due the economic situation). I think addressing the current faculty shortage would help to maximize the current shortage.

    My last point is, I would ask that foreign nursing schools whose sole business practice is to export nurses become a NLN approved facility. This would end all speculation of the Foreign Nurses education, the faculty and clinical experience will be on par with the Americans. Of course the profit margins of these schools will be impacted but at least the graduates will have the credentials similar to their American counterparts.

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