Foreign nurses face the axe in Britain

  1. london: new rules designed to safeguard jobs for british trainee nurses could mean that thousands of foreign nurses already employed here are forced out of work.
    with as many as 80 per cent of nursing graduates unable to find work, the government has with effect from yesterday removed nursing from its list of professions that bypass immigration rules.
    this means that overseas nurses will be given a job only if no suitable applicants come forward from britain or europe. but the change also applies to existing nurses from overseas once they reach the end of their contracts.
    "we're very concerned about what's going to happen to those nurses who are already working over here," said a spokesman for the royal college of nursing.



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  3. by   BLUEVIOLET
    that is a sad unfortunate story for foreign nurses working in uk. i have so many classmates who are currently working there. i don't know what is the immediate effect of this change. i just hope they will be able to find work and settlement.

    blueviolet
  4. by   celeste7767
    At least the UK is protecting the future for its OWN CITIZENS, which is more than I can say for our country which would rather IMPORT foreign nurses to keep the salaries of nurses where they are and to allow the abuses to continue, (i.e. mandatory overtime. etc). The US federal government would be smart to take a lesson from the UK and provide incentives to employers of nurses, nursing schools, etc. to attract more COMPETENT people into the profession rather than import whatever they can get, and to hec with quality. When I read that Ellis Hospital gives its nurses a WHOPPING 2.2% WAGE INCREASE, I know that we're all in trouble. 2.2% won't cover inflation for the last month let alone the past several years when wages have been relatively stagnant and during which benefits have been decreased in most job sectors.
  5. by   stpaddy
    Quote from celeste7767
    At least the UK is protecting the future for its OWN CITIZENS, which is more than I can say for our country which would rather IMPORT foreign nurses to keep the salaries of nurses where they are and to allow the abuses to continue, (i.e. mandatory overtime. etc). The US federal government would be smart to take a lesson from the UK and provide incentives to employers of nurses, nursing schools, etc. to attract more COMPETENT people into the profession rather than import whatever they can get, and to hec with quality. When I read that Ellis Hospital gives its nurses a WHOPPING 2.2% WAGE INCREASE, I know that we're all in trouble. 2.2% won't cover inflation for the last month let alone the past several years when wages have been relatively stagnant and during which benefits have been decreased in most job sectors.
    I agree, Celeste. I do wish that any good, caring, diligent people who want to be patriots of a nation would be accepted, however. Immigration laws should be stringent and disciplined, allowing a measured increase of the population. The criteria for immigration should be particular and enforceable.
    stpaddy in the Pacific NW, USA
  6. by   RNsRWe
    I think we've got a nearly identical dual thread running!

    And I said enough on the other thread that on THIS one I can just say, "I agree"
  7. by   tomskm
    this is what i would call.. poor planning and abuse of foreign nurses and their services.... well, why recruit them in the first place, many senior nurses from overseas leave behind secure well paying jobs, and i personally know over 200 nurses who resigned well paying jobs in the middle east to work in a democracy and freedom loving country.

    it’s a disgrace to not renew contracts as it will be a very expensive and painful relocation process for those who have to go back to countries of their origin, not to mention the social and cultural implications this will have on these families and their next of kin in e.g. india, philippines s africa etc and wherever else they may come from. i am sure the wise ones will look for other places to work and not be sucked into the hire and fire systems of some places.

    in some ways this is the way the world is moving now... people loosing jobs for different reasons and i guess we must adapt....

    the very shortage of nursing its workforce is an artificially created shortage, how many of our new graduates in the western world actually gain employment straight away after their degrees. how many are forced to work for agencies and rest homes and other countries / institutions that would take them on and not secure employment at places / careers they desire / have a passion for?

    why is it so hard to retain nurses in our workforce…. hierarchies, workplace bullying, antisocial hours, power struggles, i would not blame it on pay or salaries… if you calculate the take home salary of an average nurse with overtime and penal rates and whatever else..

    so where are the origins of the problem? is it the foreign nurse or the willing exploitation of these nurses? true they have contracts that are binding and have agreed to, but why would a foreign nurse especially from the above mentioned countries want to go to the uk or us or elsewhere, and there is no hiding from this fact, they look to migrate, presumably for a better living for themselves and their next of kin. while i agree jobs need to be secured for local people, it should not be at the expense of the livelihood and abuse of another people.

    where are our ethics and morality and those values we cherish and preserve?
  8. by   lee1
    Quote from celeste7767
    At least the UK is protecting the future for its OWN CITIZENS, which is more than I can say for our country which would rather IMPORT foreign nurses to keep the salaries of nurses where they are and to allow the abuses to continue, (i.e. mandatory overtime. etc). The US federal government would be smart to take a lesson from the UK and provide incentives to employers of nurses, nursing schools, etc. to attract more COMPETENT people into the profession rather than import whatever they can get, and to hec with quality. When I read that Ellis Hospital gives its nurses a WHOPPING 2.2% WAGE INCREASE, I know that we're all in trouble. 2.2% won't cover inflation for the last month let alone the past several years when wages have been relatively stagnant and during which benefits have been decreased in most job sectors.

    Yes, it would be nice for those nurses who have left their own brain drained countries to return and help their own citizens
  9. by   RNsRWe
    Quote from tomskm
    The very shortage of nursing its workforce is an artificially created shortage, how many of our new graduates in the western world actually gain employment straight away after their degrees. How many are forced to work for agencies and rest homes and other countries / institutions that would take them on and not secure employment at places / careers they desire / have a passion for?
    I'm not sure what you mean by this...? With a very rare exception, it seems to me that hospitals are scooping up new grads as fast as they can exit nursing school! What makes you say that new grads (as a group, or trend) are unable to find employment "straight away" after getting degrees? I don't believe this to be the case. And as for being "forced to work for agencies and rest homes and other countries..." -- what ARE you talking about? I haven't heard of anyone who was "forced" to leave the country to get a job! And, along those lines, haven't heard of anyone who could not "secure employment at places/careers they desire/have a passion for"...that is, assuming they were employable at ALL. There's always the person who just won't fit in anywhere. They are not the standard norm. I think you're WAY overreaching to make a point, and it's not going to be made on this reasoning.

    Actually, what I'm *NOW* thinking is, there's going to be an even greater drove of foreign nurses who will be leaving the UK and be applying for work visas to the US. Apparently even LESS reason for our government supporting OUR nursing schools, huh? If this is the wave of nursing's future, US patients are going to be hard-pressed to find an American-born nurse anywhere in sight!
  10. by   ak127
    Quote from RNsRWe
    it seems to me that hospitals are scooping up new grads as fast as they can exit nursing school!
    As an aside, I am starting my junior yr of nursing school in three weeks and I already have a job lined up for when I finish. People in my area are desperate for nurses, and this is in a good facility in a nice part of town, that one that everyone always says, 'yeah, my friend loves working there' has a good reputation for being good to its employees etc.
  11. by   tomskm
    Its different in countries across the world... Does every new grad get work... having worked in a few countries and have seen reality on the ground .. this is a fact and there is no point having a head in the sand attitude ...

    global economies are forcing migration, people wanting a better life, who knows the trend may reverse as is today, to that of China or India..

    we are moaning and groaning of the jobs we loose to these countries and the brain gain these countries have started to experience

    check out

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5290494.stm

    Nurses leave the UK to go to the US, why? for better money, why do nurses from Philipines and India come to the UK, simple.... money.........

    need I say more
    Last edit by tomskm on Aug 30, '06
  12. by   Tweety
    It makes sense to me. 80% of new grads can't find a job????
  13. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from tomskm
    Its different in countries across the world... Does every new grad get work... having worked in a few and have seen reality on the ground .. this is a fact and there is no point having a head in the sand attitude ...
    Huh???
  14. by   traumaRUs
    In the US - yes, there is an acute nursing shortage. However, in other parts of the world, including the UK it seems, there are too many nurses and not enough jobs.

    Does that help to clarify?

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